Topic: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

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For those who want to hear themselves play in the top concert halls

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

I doubt the concert halls I am interested in are in those 9 GB.

"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Chopin87 wrote:

I doubt the concert halls I am interested in are in those 9 GB.

Honestly for a free reverb I find the available places not so bad.
Here is a list of the available places in the Lite Edition.

Concert Halls:
Baradia Cave Concert Hall, Aggtelek
Berliner Philharmonie
Great Hall of the Liszt Academy of Music
Melbourne Town Hall
Palace of Arts Concert Hall Budapest
Royal Concertgebouw Amsterdam
Vastrolav Lisinski Main Concert Hall, Zagreb
Vatroslav Lisinski Small Concert Hall, Zagreb

Theatre/Opera:
Erkel Theatre, Budapest
Festival Theatre of The Palace of Arts, Budapest
Hungarian State Opera

Worship:
Basilica of St. Michael the Archangel, Marijampole
Church of St. Matthew, Anykscial
Johanneskirche, Darmstadt
Matthias Church, Budapest
Matthias Church, Choir Rehearsal Room, Budapest
Matthias Church, Crypt, Budapest
The Scots' Church, Melbourne
Votive Church, Szeged

(I have no connection to Inspired Acoustics and I had at first some problems to download the content!)

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Have to say, I see all the controls as valuable - esp. spacial placements or audience position, and staging too. These kinds of tools have progressed well.

The value seems good for upgrading but the size of download (or space on HD) do make me feel happy to keep working with tools I use.

To my mind, this is a tool I'd love to see move from gigabyte samples to pure modelling, and tiny in size, like Pianoteq - then I'd certainly be on it like a vampire!

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Qexl wrote:

Have to say, I see all the controls as valuable - esp. spacial placements or audience position, and staging too. These kinds of tools have progressed well.

The value seems good for upgrading but the size of download (or space on HD) do make me feel happy to keep working with tools I use.

To my mind, this is a tool I'd love to see move from gigabyte samples to pure modelling, and tiny in size, like Pianoteq - then I'd certainly be on it like a vampire!

Just missed the substantial Black Friday discounts however:
https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/illusion/

This one is a synthesized IR convolution reverb as opposed to traditional sampled IR convolution or algorithmic reverbs. The developer also has multiple traditional sample based IR convolution reverbs and algorithm reverbs too.

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Thank you Keys, I can already love the plate, and while I think maybe a way to go until as detailed IR as the one posted at top.. pretty good tool, if I didn't feel current tools were as sweet.

I'd be really keen to see those 2 companies work together on a new complete 'crossover' - best of both ends

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Thanks! Very cool ressource!

Pianoteq 7 - Steinway D/B, C.Bechstein, U4, Electric Pianos

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

teacue wrote:
Chopin87 wrote:

I doubt the concert halls I am interested in are in those 9 GB.

Honestly for a free reverb I find the available places not so bad.
Here is a list of the available places in the Lite Edition.

Concert Halls:
Baradia Cave Concert Hall, Aggtelek
Berliner Philharmonie
Great Hall of the Liszt Academy of Music
Melbourne Town Hall
Palace of Arts Concert Hall Budapest
Royal Concertgebouw Amsterdam
Vastrolav Lisinski Main Concert Hall, Zagreb
Vatroslav Lisinski Small Concert Hall, Zagreb

Theatre/Opera:
Erkel Theatre, Budapest
Festival Theatre of The Palace of Arts, Budapest
Hungarian State Opera

Worship:
Basilica of St. Michael the Archangel, Marijampole
Church of St. Matthew, Anykscial
Johanneskirche, Darmstadt
Matthias Church, Budapest
Matthias Church, Choir Rehearsal Room, Budapest
Matthias Church, Crypt, Budapest
The Scots' Church, Melbourne
Votive Church, Szeged

(I have no connection to Inspired Acoustics and I had at first some problems to download the content!)

The Berliner Philarmonie is interesting.
Do you have spatialization in this or it does work like an IR while the rest is only available for upgrades?

Key Fumbler wrote:
Qexl wrote:

Have to say, I see all the controls as valuable - esp. spacial placements or audience position, and staging too. These kinds of tools have progressed well.

The value seems good for upgrading but the size of download (or space on HD) do make me feel happy to keep working with tools I use.

To my mind, this is a tool I'd love to see move from gigabyte samples to pure modelling, and tiny in size, like Pianoteq - then I'd certainly be on it like a vampire!

Just missed the substantial Black Friday discounts however:
https://www.liquidsonics.com/software/illusion/

This one is a synthesized IR convolution reverb as opposed to traditional sampled IR convolution or algorithmic reverbs. The developer also has multiple traditional sample based IR convolution reverbs and algorithm reverbs too.

That is a masterpiece. I wasn't convinced by the new tech used in this convolution reverb but after I tried the sampled reverbs from the M4 I was mind blown. It really doesn't seem like convolution at all once you dig in the Reverberate interface. One of the best purchases I have ever done.

Last edited by Chopin87 (14-12-2020 16:06)
"And live to be the show and gaze o' the time."  (William Shakespeare)

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Qexl & Chopin87,
I got the Reverberate 3 update during the B.Friday extra discount offer, very pleased with the improvements he's made in that one since 2016.  The Bricasti M7 impulse responses were always excellent and the added Lexicon 224 and 448 IRs sound fine too, in a very different way.

Qexl wanted a synthesized convolution (without all those bulky wav IRs)  so I mentioned Illusion as it's one of the relatively new kids on the block. I agree with Qexl, it would be cool if they could model the synthesized convolution around real halls.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (14-12-2020 17:33)

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

I tried this one yesterday, really cool sound but the CPU consumption is rather high. Too much for live playing on my 2012 iMAC that I use for Pianoteq I'm afraid.

Pianoteq 7 - Steinway D/B, C.Bechstein, U4, Electric Pianos

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florian.rachor wrote:

I tried this one yesterday, really cool sound but the CPU consumption is rather high. Too much for live playing on my 2012 iMAC that I use for Pianoteq I'm afraid.

Are you talking about the Inspirata reverb?

I'm reading some very negative reports on this Inspirata Lite. Ludicrous downloading times, multiple failed downloads. Also complaints from user saying the free version has weird steering, collapsing to mono in the lite version. Also heard that the full version is a hideous 144GB!

It's put me off trying. Reverberate 3 is so excellent not really bothered about having IRs from real halls. The Fusion Bricasti IRs sound so good if you want something that sounds like an idealised real space.

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Cautious, polite and friendly suggestion, to do with as you like: I'd stay away from Inspirata for the time being. Apparently, the free 'lite' version has a number of severe placement and imaging limitations which, in my opinion, no spatializer, not even a free one, should suffer from.

I say 'apparently' because, while I did sign up for, and received a download link (plus code) for the software, I never installed it. I deleted the download link after watching and listening to all the product videos and hearing a few early user examples: very, very poor and problematic sound in all of them, I thought. So far, I haven't heard Inspirata do a single thing that can't be done *much* better with other software.

From what I read, getting this thing to work on your computer is no walk in the park either. Several people who have tried, have reported of broken downloads, faulty installers and/or plugins that don't get validated ... I'm sure these things will get solved (maybe they're solved already), and not everyone has been unsuccessful in installing the software, but I only mention it so that you know that, at the moment, it's not a certainty that your 60 gig (or whatever it is) slow download will result in something useable.

And the question remains: is Inspirata, in its current shape, actually worth the trouble? Me, I really don't think so. Like I said, nothing of what I heard so far sounds even moderately appealing, let alone good, to my ears. Most of it sounds worryingly bad actually.

Also: to my knowledge, there is, at the moment, only one serious convolution-based spatializer which more or less manages to avoid the many sonic pitfalls of IR-based spatialization, and that's VSL's MIR (Pro) software. All the others — including Inspirata, from what I can tell — struggle, in varying degrees, with phase- and imaging problems, and that's not something that you want your spatializer to struggle with because it'll completely ruin your mix.

I hope that, in time, Inspirata becomes another good piece of spatialization software, worthy of joining the ranks of a.o. IrcamSPAT, MIR or 2cAudio's software, but I honestly don't think it's there yet. And the big thing with spatialization software is this: if it isn't totally excellent, convincing and sonically reliable, then it's completely hazardous and should be avoided. There's no acceptable middle ground with these things.

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Last edited by Piet De Ridder (16-12-2020 15:52)

Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Piet De Ridder wrote:

Cautious, polite and friendly suggestion, to do with as you like: I'd stay away from Inspirata for the time being. Apparently, the free 'lite' version has a number of severe placement and imaging limitations which, in my opinion, no spatializer, not even a free one, should suffer from.

I say 'apparently' because, while I did sign up for, and received a download link (plus code) for the software, I never installed it. I deleted the download link after watching and listening to all the product videos and hearing a few early user examples: very, very poor and problematic sound in all of them, I thought. So far, I haven't heard Inspirata do a single thing that can't be done *much* better with other software.

From what I read, getting this thing to work on your computer is no walk in the park either. Several people who have tried, have reported of broken downloads, faulty installers and/or plugins that don't get validated ... I'm sure these things will get solved (maybe they're solved already), and not everyone has been unsuccessful in installing the software, but I only mention it so that you know that, at the moment, it's not a certainty that your 60 gig (or whatever it is) slow download will result in something useable.

And the question remains: is Inspirata, in its current shape, actually worth the trouble? Me, I really don't think so. Like I said, nothing of what I heard so far sounds even moderately appealing, let alone good, to my ears. Most of it sounds worryingly bad actually.

Also: to my knowledge, there is, at the moment, only one serious convolution-based spatializer which more or less manages to avoid the many sonic pitfalls of IR-based spatialization, and that's VSL's MIR (Pro) software. All the others — including Inspirata, from what I can tell — struggle, in varying degrees, with phase- and imaging problems, and that's not something that you want your spatializer to struggle with because it'll completely ruin your mix.

I hope that, in time, Inspirata becomes another good piece of spatialization software, worthy of joining the ranks of a.o. IrcamSPAT, MIR or 2cAudio's software, but I honestly don't think it's there yet. And the big thing with spatialization software is this: if it isn't totally excellent, convincing and sonically reliable, then it's completely hazardous and should be avoided. There's no acceptable middle ground with these things.

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Honestly apart from the high CPU usage, I didn't have any troubles. The download size was about 9GB and downloaded with about 5 MB/s. To my ears the sound is really good if I don't run into CPU clipping issues. The only comparison I have is Space Designer that came with Mainstage and that sounds absolutely terrible with Pianoteq for some reason. It's good with sample based VSTs but with PT there is some really wierd sound going on in the treble cleff.

And it was free, MIR Pro is probably cool, but it's at least 199 and that's quite a lot for me, just for some reverb for playing piano . But thank you for the tip, I didn't plan on buying the full version for Inspirata, but if I had, I would have switched to MIR Pro.

Do you have a recommandation for a good standard reverb that I can use for playing?

Pianoteq 7 - Steinway D/B, C.Bechstein, U4, Electric Pianos

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Florian,

I’m surprised that SpaceDesigner is such a disappointment to you. It shouldn’t be, as it’s a pretty good convolution reverb, with LOTS of options to adjust the character and sound of the reverberation. Of course, not all the included IR’s will suit Pianoteq — and I must also add that there’s something about Pianoteq’s sound, I can’t put my finger on it, which can sometimes make it quite a challenge for any reverb, even among the best ones, to wrap a nice sounding, believable space around a PTQ acoustic piano —, but there must be at least a dozen or two that should give very agreeable results, I should think.
(I don’t know if the version of SpaceDesigner in MainStage is the same as the one in Logic however. I’m only familiar with the latter.)

But to avoid any misunderstanding: we need to distinguish here — very important — between reverb and spatialization. Reverb, simply put, is the (audible) response of a room when sound is produced inside it. Spatialization is much more than that (and also a lot more complicated to simulate artificially): it not only covers the reverberation, but also deals with the placement of the source sound in the room (left to right, front to back) AND the way the reverberation changes depending on the location of the sound source in the room and the location of the listener/microphones. (In advanced spatialization software, like for example Ircam SPAT, you even have parameters to set the orientation of the sound source, plus the width and radius of its projection, and lots more.)

I’m fairly sure that Inspirata includes enough good IR’s to cover the reverberation aspect of spatialization in a wholly satisfying way. It’s the placement aspect which, so far, I haven’t heard any convincing examples of. And given that Inspirata makes some bold claims in this regard, I was rather unimpressed by what I’ve heard thus far, I must say. Still, if you’re pleased with it, that’s the only thing that matters of course. Mine is just one person’s opinion. (And the problem with my opinion is that I’m an enthusiastic and excited SPAT user of many years and that every other software, there are no exceptions, which says to offer similar functionality is doomed to compare disfavourably with it.)

If SpaceDesigner keeps disappointing you: there are numerous excellent software reverbs available these days. Way too many to even make a useful shortlist, I’m afraid. The good news is though that, these days, even very affordable reverb software produces surprisingly good results. And I also want to underline the fact that understanding reverb — its various components and what they each contribute to the illusion of ‘sound in a space’ —, and being thoroughly familiar with all the parameters, plus knowing how to apply reverb in a mix, makes a much bigger difference to the result than the actual software one uses.

Which brings me back to the beginning: if you like, we can search together for a way to make SpaceDesigner work for you. If you’re able to post an audio example of what you’re trying to accomplish with it, perhaps I might be able to make some suggestions on how to achieve what you’re going for? Can’t promise anything, but we might as well give it a try, no? (It’s also much more useful, I believe, to discuss reverb starting from an audio example and the specific problems it highlights, rather than just exchanging opinions, preferences and experiences.)

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Re: Free inspirada lite convolution reverb

Piet, thanks so much for the suggestion, but I think I might have used SD wrong, lol. For some reason it didn't display the presets for me, just the IRs. I watched a video about SD because I had the same feeling as you: This is praised as an excellent reverb, it shouldn't sound that terrible. And it was a user fault it seems.

So first, you need to load the full preset, not just the IR file (what I did) because otherwise it will sound terrible (Or if you load just an IR you need to set everything else to baseline). And then second, it's really easy to tweak that preset into the direction you might want. And last but not least, less is more in this case, I think I was adding waaay to much reverb. All those three combined it sounds a lot better.

In the meantime I also downloaded the trial for EastWest Spaces II to have a comparison to Inspirata. I would still sound the reverb on Inspirata sounds really good, but the CPU consumption is a big issue. With SD and Spaces II I have a CPU usage around 30-40% maximum, even if I max out the latency in Mainstage and polyphony on PT. For Inspirata I have a base usage around 70-80% with spikes above 100%, even when I turn up the buffer and turn down the polyphony. So it uses 3-4 times more CPU then other products. If you are running on an iMac 2012 like me, that can be a problem (or if you aren't just using it on a piano but a larger composition).

In any case, I will now dive a little deeper in the onboard reverbs of Mainstage, I assume that those will be more then enough for what I need .

Pianoteq 7 - Steinway D/B, C.Bechstein, U4, Electric Pianos