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Topic: Parameter copy/clipboard display

I would like to compare parameters for different presets and save those values in a file. I see that under the Edit menu, there is a Copy parameters option. When I choose that, select something, and then close that dialogue the parameters should be copied to the clipboard.

But when I do that I can't display that clipboard. I downloaded a clipboard display program, but when I open it up after doing the above it's empty. I'm assuming the format is text. Is the reason I can't display the clipboard data because it's in a different format? The clipboard display program does work for other things outside of Pianoteq. I'm running a Windows 10 PC.

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Re: Parameter copy/clipboard display

Hi DaveL,

I just use the standard 'notepad' (well, notepad ++ mostly in Win).

With a simple Alt Tab to it, and paste, it's done.

Or better, for people who love further organizing these text snips into knowledge trees for later recall - I like "Notebag".

There are many! other grand knowledge apps, like Mindmapper etc.. but for simple text snips in Win I do like Notebag for its "Linux-like" elegant engineering, like PTQ in this regard.


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DaveL wrote:

I would like to compare parameters for different presets

Overlooked this aspect sorry - Yes, if click the "A" button, top right, you load one preset into that slot.. next click an edited version in slot "B" - and then right-click on the "A/B" button, you see a pop-up list of the elements which are different between the 2 presets.. helps me remember what I changed in previous times.

For Win, if there's enough data to compare if you copy/paste it to text files (save those as something like a.txt and b.txt), install Kdiff for Win, it's a "diff" tool which will help find and highlight differences in text files. (Kdiff ver. 0.9.98 linked here (look for 'download' button at bottom of that page; still works for me on Win 8.1 - there are bound to be many other software titles doing similar for Win, and maybe newer versions of Kdiff too (just haven't tried them yet), if 0.9.98 doesn't run well for you on Win 10 tho). It's like a lovely old Linux tool I pine to see in Win (like Awk/Sed/Grep and other bash-like tools, cannot beat them for text manipulation).

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Re: Parameter copy/clipboard display

Qexl wrote:

Hi DaveL,

I just use the standard 'notepad' (well, notepad ++ mostly in Win).

With a simple Alt Tab to it, and paste, it's done.

Or better, for people who love further organizing these text snips into knowledge trees for later recall - I like "Notebag".

There are many! other grand knowledge apps, like Mindmapper etc.. but for simple text snips in Win I do like Notebag for its "Linux-like" elegant engineering, like PTQ in this regard.


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DaveL wrote:

I would like to compare parameters for different presets

Overlooked this aspect sorry - Yes, if click the "A" button, top right, you load one preset into that slot.. next click an edited version in slot "B" - and then right-click on the "A/B" button, you see a pop-up list of the elements which are different between the 2 presets.. helps me remember what I changed in previous times.

For Win, if there's enough data to compare if you copy/paste it to text files (save those as something like a.txt and b.txt), install Kdiff for Win, it's a "diff" tool which will help find and highlight differences in text files. (Kdiff ver. 0.9.98 linked here (look for 'download' button at bottom of that page; still works for me on Win 8.1 - there are bound to be many other software titles doing similar for Win, and maybe newer versions of Kdiff too (just haven't tried them yet), if 0.9.98 doesn't run well for you on Win 10 tho). It's like a lovely old Linux tool I pine to see in Win (like Awk/Sed/Grep and other bash-like tools, cannot beat them for text manipulation).

Thanks Qexl! I'll give these a try. You'd never know I'm a retired software developer. But that was in the days of the mainframe.

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Re: Parameter copy/clipboard display

My entry to programming was IMB clone PC territory (Win then Linux) but mostly before modular and object oriented drag/drop interfaces. I'm stuck in "IF X THEN DO LOOP UNTIL Y". A happy dinosaur

Hope you always put an END PRINT on your mainframe programs

Cheers


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I realise some context might be fun.. horror stories abound from punch card era.. last programmer in the line of Friday, enters punch card program (simple calculation to print out the result).. if they forgot END PRINT statement, on Monday, a whole warehouse of tractor-fed paper could fill up the print room

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Re: Parameter copy/clipboard display

Don't know what's going on with this copy/paste. When I try pasting into Notepad or other editors I get nothing, so apparently the parameters are not getting copied to the system clipboard. I changed the clipboard settings so I can look at history and they never show up there. Have you tried this in Pianoteq 7? I do have Standard instead of Pro but I doubt that would make a difference.

The A/B compare you mentioned is nice. If they had the actual values that would be even better.

Off topic: I primarily worked on mainframes using COBOL and CICS. My first job they had cards for about a year, then they had a terminal room where you had to go to code. Finally got terminals on our desks shortly after. I remember in 1981 when you could only compile one CICS program per day. I did a little object oriented stuff but you have to be doing that full time to be good at it and my other skills were more in demand.

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Re: Parameter copy/clipboard display

Apologies DaveL - working fast, I overlooked a main component in your initial question.

Instead, jumped straight to thinking about when using a particular tool in the interface, and pressing "copy" on their dialogue boxes, to get the textual values (for example, the mics' settings one by one). That pastes those individual values as expected..

++ Yes!, the FXP data as human readable text (copy/paste parameters via edit menu, or when pressing the main interface's copy/paste parameter buttons) would genuinely be superb! Thank you and again, sorry to overlook that!

The Modartt folks do check the forum - so hoping they see this - and if it's doable, it may happen.


Some examples for readers of what kind of copy pasting we can do currently..


Right-clicking copy/pasting from the velocity box:

Velocity = [0, 127; 0, 127]


Right click and press copy, then paste for a microphone in the output panel:

X = +0.408
Y = +2.125
Z = 0.840
Angle = +180.0
Vertical Angle = -90.0


this makes it possible to compare via text quickly any tiny or larger differences in those and many others.

DaveL's idea for a meta dump of preset text is an excellent one!



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Re: Parameter copy/clipboard display

Thanks Qexl, I think when it says parameters are copied to the clipboard, it must be some type of internal clipboard or datastore they're referring to.

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