Topic: piano touch keyboard experiment

Here is a link to an interesting experiment made by Jacob Dupre at Sweetwater. He uses calibration weights to compare the response of different digital pianos. I tried mine (a Roland FP80) for fun and got a score of 86 grams. If you try yours, let us know the result!
https://www.sweetwater.com/lists/lt.php...QIJAFIBCgE
disclaimer: I am not associated with Sweetwater in any way.

Last edited by aWc (22-08-2020 23:21)
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Re: piano touch keyboard experiment

aWc wrote:

Here is a link to an interesting experiment made by Jacob Dupre at Sweetwater. He uses calibration weights to compare the response of different digital pianos. I tried mine (a Roland FP80) for fun and got a score of 86 grams. If you try yours, let us know the result!
https://www.sweetwater.com/lists/lt.php...QIJAFIBCgE
disclaimer: I am not associated with Sweetwater in any way.

Hi aWc


Strange you should post this as last night I used a 100g weight to calibrate my P515 via VelPro. I found the lower bass velocity at 100g averaged 27 and the top treble reached 44. So I picked the mid point 36 and used VelPro to adjust those either too high or to low to 36. The result is very satisfactory. I think one of the reasons there are differences in key to key response is the simulated escapement and how much or little lubricant remains. Also, of course, the "graded hammer" plays a significant part in the regional velocity response differences.

Warmest regards,

Chris

Re: piano touch keyboard experiment

Thanks sigasa for your reply. I assume that your own purpose was to come up with a compensation calibration for keyboard uneven velocity response.

I bit more detail about the Sweetwater experiment, for people you don't have time to read the whole thing. Their purpose was only to measure the minimal force required to trigger and sustain a note. Only middle C was measured. A Yamaha grand was included for reference and the measured value was 96 grams. Keyboards tested (Roland, Korg, Casio, Yamaha, Digibel and Kurzweil) ranged from low seventies to above 100g.

I wished they included more than one acoustic grand (or even upright) in the test. Since they measured only middle C,I am curious about the range of values across the whole keyboard of an acoustic grand, as well as digital pianos /controllers that offer graded hammer response. Anybody?

The following could be useful if you want to run your own test:
I initially used AA batteries (!) that weight exactly 24 grams each. I established that the value for my FP80 was therefore between 72 and 96 grams. To further refine, I use a little plastic bottle (the kind that used to contain candy jimmies to decorate cakes!) because it is smaller in diameter than a piano key) filled with small steel beads used to clean wine carafes). I calibrated it using a kitchen scale accurate to about a couple of grams.

Last edited by aWc (24-08-2020 18:47)
PT 7.3 with Steinway B and D, U4 upright, YC5, Bechstein DG, Steingraeber, Ant. Petrov, Kremsegg Collection #2, Electric Pianos and Hohner Collection. http://antoinewcaron.com

Re: piano touch keyboard experiment

This is a static force measurement, in real playing, inertia plays a major role. For instance, between Kawai ES110 and Kawai MP11SE most people will feel that MP11SE is slightly heavier