Romariozen wrote:I'd like to give an example where you want to use 2 pedals simultaneously. Watch Chopin's nocturne 48 n1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7mntyrW3HU time code 1:50 4-5 bar. You sostenuto C-C octave whilst sustaning thirds, then you release sustain to shut down thirds and play C-E-G-E on the refreshed space and lasting C-C octave as Chopin intended. There is another way to do it but I like this one.
I did not say "two pedals simultaneously never make sense". In fact, if you press a chord, then press sostenuto, thus holding those specific dampers up, then use sustain for lifting/dropping all the other dampers while holding sostenuto all the time to keep the original chord's dampers up, that can absolutely make sense. But pressing the sostenuto pedal while/after the sustain pedal is pressed down does not make much sense, as it just acts as a copy of the sustain pedal, i.e. it will just be holding all the dampers up.
That said, I have identified an artifact I too would classify as a bug, but it depends on using the two pedals in exactly the bizarre fashion I described:
1. Press the sustain pedal
2. Press the sostenuto pedal while still pressing sustain
3. Release the sustain pedal
4. Play a chord; sostenuto acts just like sustain now, which is to be expected
5. Release the chord and the pedal
6. The main string sounds are dampened immediately, but the sympathetic resonance simulation actually seems to linger for about half a second before it too is abruptly cut off
This behaviour is indeed incorrect, as in this specific scenario releasing sostenuto should sound exactly like releasing sustain. But I still maintain this is a bizarre corner case of little practical import. It would be nice if it got fixed by Modartt, but I wouldn't call it exactly urgent either.
Addendum: I have two sets of Kontakt-based sample instruments (Session Keys and Native Instruments), and I played around with them for a bit and neither is getting pedalling completely right. The SK instruments have a completely broken implementation that actually drops the dampers on all the strings when you press sustain while sostenuto-ing specific keys (i.e. play/hold a chord, press/hold sostenuto, release the keys, press sustain (while still holding sostenuto) and immediately hear all notes being dampened, it's quite fascinating). The SK implementation also cuts off repeat notes when pressing sustain after the first key press, which is a very old sustain bug many electronic instruments used to have. Both implementations also ignore the dampers being raised by sustain, i.e.: press/hold sustain, play/hold a chord, press/hold sostenuto, release keys, release sustain and magically only the dampers for the chord stay up, which is not what an actual physical sostenuto pedal would do, as it IMHO simply cannot for mechanical reasons. Maybe this is what he OP expected to happen.
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