Topic: Gaveau FXPs

I've added two Gaveau presets to FXP Corner.  They're both based on the Grotrian in the PTQ engine (as opposed to the Steinway D for the Baldwins last week).

Gaveau was a very popular French piano maker, founded in 1847.  They competed primarily with Érard and Pleyel (and were considered the third most prestigious piano maker in France) for the 1/4 size "Petite Grand" or "crapaud" which were slightly smaller than a modern baby grand.  While Gaveau produces instruments of all types and sizes (ranging from uprights, pianolas, and harpsichords to concert grands), the concert-sized instruments are quite rare (usually they're outnumbered on the market 20-to-1 against the petite grand pianos).  These two, the Model IV (1959) and Model V (1960) are based directly on the two pianos owned by György Cziffra (later Georges Cziffra he gained French Citizenship in 1968), which he received in 1960--shortly before, in that same year, Gaveau merged with Érard.

Gaveau pianos were made by Schimmel between 71 and 94, and now the brand is owned by the same conglomerate that owns both the Pleyel and Érard brands, and there are a few instruments currently in production under the Gaveau marque.  While the main factory in Fontenay-sous-Bois has been gone for years, the Salle Gaveau which housed their corporate office space and a concert hall at 45, Rue la Boétie (8th arrondissement) is still in regular use and the most recognizable remainder of the original company.

The two instruments owned by Cziffra are in private collections in France.  One was rebuilt in 1980 and remains in private hands as of 2011, and the other was at one time publicly accessible and on display at the Cziffra Studio in Aix-en-Provence, but I believe it was sold to private owned from Paris in 2013.  Since at least one of the instruments underwent restoration, I focused on making the my presets match the sound of the instruments from Cziffra's recitals in the 60s made on the two instruments rather than on their current sound.

Both pianos have a nice clear, warm sound and strong bass, and I enjoy the sound for some French and Scandinavian music, like Grieg, Chopin, Stenhammar, or Alkan.  I normally pair the V with a Small Church or Warm Hall reverb and the IV with a Warm Studio or Wooden Large Room reverb.  Usually, I use free Quad files from Samplicity (based on the Bricasti M7), but any good reverb should work well.

I also apologize since the records of Gaveau and the private owners are incomplete, it's not totally clear if the instruments owned by Cziffra were 235cm, 280cm, or 290cm since Gaveau made all of those sizes in the same model numbers (their model numbering is extremely poorly document in English or French): so I basically had to guess that they were the IV 280 and V 290 based on photos, but it's possible that they were shorter instruments, if I can find the exact instrument sizes, I'll update the presets.

As a side note, a parameter freeze in Pro (and probably Standard) will allow these presets to be applied to the free Pleyel and Erard grands, which also sound excellent with these parameters but the overall tone is a much grittier and vintage sound (and more inharmonicity and roughness since they're both roughly 2/4 grand), so I went with the clean Grotrian as the default.  If people want the Pleyel and Erard based ones that sound much older than the Grotrian in texture, I'll upload those too.

More on Cziffra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_Cziffra
More on Gaveau: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaveau

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2xHiPcCsm29R12HX4eXd4J
Pianoteq Studio & Organteq
Casio GP300 & Custom organ console

Re: Gaveau FXPs

Forgot the links to the FXPs...

https://forum.modartt.com/file/3d30hpnt
https://forum.modartt.com/file/cufcz7cs

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2xHiPcCsm29R12HX4eXd4J
Pianoteq Studio & Organteq
Casio GP300 & Custom organ console

Re: Gaveau FXPs

Thanks! Love the extra info too.

MP11SE, FP30; Pianoteq on Mac, Windows, Linux
Unheard Music Concepts

Re: Gaveau FXPs

https://forum.modartt.com/file/4ucv1gw8
https://forum.modartt.com/file/b97h7w24

I updated the FXPs to fix a few problems in the spectrum profile (very sour low G#s leftover from a sloppy detune and some spectrum settings of the original Grotrian profile) and--hopefully--add the microphone data.  These both use the Samplicity Bricasti M7 convolution files.

I've also put a pair of sound samples...one from the Harold Bauer piano roll of Chopin's Fantasie Impromptu #6058 (I'm not exactly sure where I got the midi scan anymore ), and the other from Schumann's Symphonic Etudes Op. 13 (the Op. Post. variations/revisions) by Thomas Lefeldt on Kunst-der-fugue--though I made a few changes to it.  I used these because I have reference recordings of Cziffra playing these pieces on his two different pianos (he usually toured/performed publicly on the 1960 V and he usually practiced on the 1959 IV at home), but unfortunately most of those reference recordings don't appear to be online anymore.  However, allowing for the difference in recording quality, microphones, and pianist, the sound closely matches the instruments.

https://forum.modartt.com/download.php?id=3680
https://forum.modartt.com/download.php?id=3678

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/2xHiPcCsm29R12HX4eXd4J
Pianoteq Studio & Organteq
Casio GP300 & Custom organ console