https://www.acousticsamples.net/vreeds
As how virtual sound producing developes, this is on the Wurlitzer E 200 and A 200A
Acousticsamples has released VReeds Electric Piano. Combining synthesis techniques and sampling to achieve a high level of playability, a completely continuous response (no velocity splits) and allows for advanced note by note tweaking while maintaining a realistic sound all while keeping a very small size of 70MB for two models.
Regards
Dick
Interesting!
You may get something to read about it, but the Wurlitzer (Gibson) website is horrible!
But I can already say that this kind of mixing (physical modeling and sampling) is already quite common. The Roland V-Piano is perhaps the most famous of them. I have impression the Roland FP7-F does something like that. Also the Yamaha CP-1 uses a similar technique.
If possible, provide a link for us to look at.
They've done the release sounds well - something that Pianoteq needs to improve IMHO. I think I read somewhere that as the reeds are damped, the pitch rises a bit(?) Whatever it is, I don't hear it in Pianoteq. I hear noises, but not the characteristic Wurly "cough".
Greg.
They've done the release sounds well - something that Pianoteq needs to improve IMHO. I think I read somewhere that as the reeds are damped, the pitch rises a bit(?) Whatever it is, I don't hear it in Pianoteq. I hear noises, but not the characteristic Wurly "cough".
Greg.
Even with "imperfections", I prefer Modartt to continue to use 100% Physical Modeling. Mixing modeling with sampling is a setback!
Even with "imperfections", I prefer Modartt to continue to use 100% Physical Modeling. Mixing modeling with sampling is a setback!
Whatever you say, Professor
Regarding background info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurlitzer_electric_piano and http://www.hallofelectricpianos.co.uk/
Some great songs which feature it (some of which were played by that Acoustic Samples demoer):
"Dreamer", "Logical Song", "Child of Vision" - Supertramp
"What I'd Say" - Ray Charles
"Jeans On" - David Dundas
Greg
p.s This is my third attempt at posting this - I think this forum is rejecting emoji's - it is truncating the post from the emoji onwards!!!
EDIT: Ok, so when I put in the plain text version of the smiley, it then converted that to a real emoji. Why not just accept the real one to begin with?
EDIT 2: WTF? You've got a bloody Wurlitzer as your icon! So I assume you already know all about it! I thought you were asking for information - sorry......
Sampling always has to meet modelling because you always have to compare your model to the real thing.
Sampling btw just means digital recording.
Professor Leandro Duarte wrote:Even with "imperfections", I prefer Modartt to continue to use 100% Physical Modeling. Mixing modeling with sampling is a setback!
Whatever you say, Professor
Regarding background info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurlitzer_electric_piano and http://www.hallofelectricpianos.co.uk/
Some great songs which feature it (some of which were played by that Acoustic Samples demoer):
"Dreamer", "Logical Song", "Child of Vision" - Supertramp
"What I'd Say" - Ray Charles
"Jeans On" - David DundasGreg
p.s This is my third attempt at posting this - I think this forum is rejecting emoji's - it is truncating the post from the emoji onwards!!!
EDIT: Ok, so when I put in the plain text version of the smiley, it then converted that to a real emoji. Why not just accept the real one to begin with?
EDIT 2: WTF? You've got a bloody Wurlitzer as your icon! So I assume you already know all about it! I thought you were asking for information - sorry......
Thanks. I learned a lot from your post. I knew little about the Wurlitzer.
I'm just playing around with another physically modelled Wurly (not mentioning any names *cough Lounge Lizard *cough* *splutter*) - it too does a pretty decent job of the releases, and I think it's a very simple thing - it seems to be applying what sounds like a low pass filter during the release, with the cutoff frequency rapidly dropping during the release, to simulate the gradual dampening of the reed. I don't know *how* they are implementing it, but that's how it sounds, and it's pretty authentic IMHO. Pianoteq makes interesting sounds, but I haven't been able to get it to have this particular effect.
Greg.
Even with "imperfections", I prefer Modartt to continue to use 100% Physical Modeling. Mixing modeling with sampling is a setback!
Apparently, MODARTT itself continues to employ 100% physical modeling, only combined with 100% piano sampling specifically for any piano key release noise to sound as on a true piano. And, only just recently it has quietly replaced sampled pedal noise with modeled variants. Now however some quirks in the noise are again apparent or prevalent very much to forum members (end users) including myself —aside from the negligence er failure to include any mention of the model transition from pedal noise samples in an accompanying change log. End users were left in the dark and still without an amended change log representing factual updates as they truly might occurred!
See forum post: Need improvement for Pianoteq 6.5 for release sound of sustain pedal ?
I'm just playing around with another physically modelled Wurly (not mentioning any names *cough Lounge Lizard *cough* *splutter*) - it too does a pretty decent job of the releases, and I think it's a very simple thing - it seems to be applying what sounds like a low pass filter during the release, with the cutoff frequency rapidly dropping during the release, to simulate the gradual dampening of the reed. I don't know *how* they are implementing it, but that's how it sounds, and it's pretty authentic IMHO. Pianoteq makes interesting sounds, but I haven't been able to get it to have this particular effect.
Greg.
There is a question also about the piano Damper Noise parameter only in PIANOTEQ PRO appearing under the aforementioned topic. You think maybe there’s some connection? See specifically this post within the topic.
About the topic of your lacking an easily recognizable avatar, as both SteveLy and I stressed elsewhere, you need one skip! That very simple thing might help better identify you here.
[ You think maybe there’s some connection? See specifically this post within the topic.
Not sure - that topic looks very long and convoluted - I haven't digested it properly yet. Thanks though.
Greg.
Have to admit, now your avatar beats mine, by leaps and bounds!