Topic: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

This is using Pianoteq 6 trial

Hi, obviously I must be doing something wrong and I think may even be at the piano side hence answers frompeople with my same piano most welcome

At this point all I want to do is to connect piano and laptop and just play and I would like NOT to hear the pianos own sound but instead Pianoteq sound but throughout my pianos own speaker

I believe a separate audio interface it’s not needed for this, correct?

The most I managed to get is a tiny little sound and only in the laptop speakers. Please help. Thanks

Last edited by Jesús (02-11-2019 04:03)

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

It seems your piano supports usb-audio,
So you should be able to select it as output.
Is it visible in the devices screen?
Also check if your computer shows the piano as usb-audio interface.

Jesús wrote:

This is using Pianoteq 6 trial

Hi, obviously I must be doing something wrong and I think may even be at the piano side hence answers frompeople with my same piano most welcome

At this point all I want to do is to connect piano and laptop and just play and I would like NOT to hear the pianos own sound but instead Pianoteq sound but throughout my pianos own speaker

I believe a separate audio interface it’s not needed for this, correct?

The most I managed to get is a tiny little sound and only in the laptop speakers. Please help. Thanks

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

Thanks Mr. Roland

Actually, and this is the rare thing, NO, the piano does not show at all in the laptop creen

I then tried in the laptop but this time with the laptop property conected with a proper external audio interfaces and within a DAW and strange enough neither the piano showed up this way

If I remember correctly, with this last set up, I tried once in the past and it worked but didn't worked this time

It was long since I tried successfully with this later setup and at the time I didn't try any further... leaved for a later time such as now but now like I say it does not work

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

Hello,
if I'm not mistaken, the Kawai CA78 does not provide USB audio out. I mean that the piano cannot play audio samples generated from PC and sent from USB to its speakers, because that interface is not provided.

However, it seems to me that CA78 supports Bluetooth Low Energy audio, which can be used for the same purpose, although I have no idea of the latency. Probably, you will be forced to use a traditional audio cable for connecting the piano with the line-out jack of the PC, if the performances won't sound good for you.

Sincerely.

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

carlo_bra wrote:

However, it seems to me that CA78 supports Bluetooth Low Energy audio, which can be used for the same purpose, although I have no idea of the latency. Probably, you will be forced to use a traditional audio cable for connecting the piano with the line-out jack of the PC, if the performances won't sound good for you.
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I was wondering if latency would be a problem as well. (From another forum - Hi Jesus ) I think Jesus  has an Audio Interface at his disposal, so connecting that to the Piano Input should work well.

I'm interested if Pianoteq will work well though a Digital Piano's  internal Speakers - will it need some adjusting to get good quality sound?

Best Wishes,

Shaun

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

Thanks Carlo - Hi Shaun how are you doing mate?

I sort of reply to both of you here

Somebody already told me the same answer as Carlo in another forum I asked and since he had I remembered I done it previously exactly the way you, Carlo, say, sort of anyway

At that time I did it, you are right Shaun, using an audio interface line out, yet, obviously with a "Y connector" connected to both audio out of the external interface and at the other end just a "thing jack input" connected to the Kawai as the piano does not have proper two jacks line in audio connections

I think, I dont remember that well to be honest, that I wasnt impressed by the sound I got out of the piano hence I "parked" Pianoteq for a while, was too much hasle to not get that greater sound over my pianos own sound to be honest. I think I also thought that perhaps one of the reasons of me not getting such a great sound as I hear others play with was perhaps the "poor" connection coming into my piano.... and this was from Audio Interface to Piano. I would imagine a very thing audio cable Laptop / Piano will carry even less quality

Yesterday, sometime passed by and having forgotten all the above history, I was trying again but all I wanted was an easy almost cable free connection sort to speak, just something for me to enjoy my own music and all the rest of the history is this topic

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<b>Shaun ask:
I'm interested if Pianoteq will work well though a Digital Piano's  internal Speakers - will it need some adjusting to get good quality sound?</b>

Well, there you got my answer already but to be honest I would need to try it again in order to give a more definitive answer. The sound was with quality enough, yet nothing to impress me anyway to be honest, at all. Im not sure if this make sense. Good audio, not this "supposed to be" great Pianoteq sound
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Carlo spoken about my piano audio wireless bluetooth.... but further more, it also have MIDI wireless connection which its difficult to achieve in Windows but very easy to achieve in Apple. I wonder if Pianoteq its also available to work with an Ipad in which case I could both wireless ways, the audio and or MIDI even knowing some some latency will surely occurr

In any case, tomorrow Im going to try again with the audio connection to see if it convice me better this time

Thanks everyone for the answers

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

Jesús wrote:

...using an audio interface line out, yet, obviously with a "Y connector" connected to both audio out of the external interface and at the other end just a "thing jack input" connected to the Kawai as the piano does not have proper two jacks line in audio connections

I think, I dont remember that well to be honest, that I wasnt impressed by the sound I got out of the piano hence I "parked" Pianoteq for a while, was too much hasle to not get that greater sound over my pianos own sound to be honest. I think I also thought that perhaps one of the reasons of me not getting such a great sound as I hear others play with was perhaps the "poor" connection coming into my piano...

The Kawai CA78 has a typical 1/8” stereo input jack.  That might seem small.  However, it does receive audio from any consumer-grade source such as your computer (output) directly or a connected audio interface.

When you have a stereo (audio cable) connection made to the keyboard from either the computer or audio interface, you have also to make Line In volume adjustments on the CA78.

The CA98/CA78 digital piano provides two methods of adjusting the level of the Line In audio: the Line In LEVEL knob (located beside the Line In connector on the jack panel), and the Line In Level setting. The LEVEL knob is used to adjust the analogue volume of the sound entering the instrument, while the Line In Level setting adjusts the digital volume of the sound once it is ‘inside’ the instrument.
To ensure the Line In audio is of a high quality, it is recommended to set the volume of the external audio device (for example a tablet) to a high level, then adjust the instrument’s Line In LEVEL knob to a comfortable level, without distortion. If it is necessary to further increase or decrease the volume of the external audio, the Line In Level setting can then be used as desired.

I’ve a link to the CA78 manual, https://kawaius.com/wp-content/uploads/...Manual.pdf.

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Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

Thanks for such great info Amen

I knew that at the time when I tried the very first time - though I forgot later on I have to admit

So basically, are you trying to say, that there is not excuse and I should really benefit from the rich sound of Pianoteq over my own piano sounds without excuse (sort to speak)?

If so I gave it a further try. Thanks again

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

Sure. 

Whatever you say!

Although really if it were me, I’d prefer a Roland LX708 over a Kawai CA78  —and if I were in the money for one at obviously a comparable price.

I’m quoting from both your statement and one that is from Kawai:

I knew that at the time when I tried the very first time - though I forgot later on I have to admit.

Any changes made to the Line In Level setting will remain until the power is turned off.

Pianoteq 8 Studio Bundle, Pearl malletSTATION EM1, Roland (DRUM SOUND MODULE TD-30, HandSonic 10, AX-1), Akai EWI USB, Yamaha DIGITAL PIANO P-95, M-Audio STUDIOPHILE BX5, Focusrite Saffire PRO 24 DSP.

Re: Pianoteq Stand-alone NOT working with Kawai CA78

Jesús wrote:

Hi Shaun how are you doing mate?

I'm good thanks, hope you wre well & still getting on great with your lessons I Think you'll get better results in this forum - and you can use emojis..


At that time I did it, you are right Shaun, using an audio interface line out, yet, obviously with a "Y connector" connected to both audio out of the external interface and at the other end just a "thing jack input" connected to the Kawai as the piano does not have proper two jacks line in audio connections

Yes, I think that seems like a good way of doing it - and good to let the audio interface do the work...

I think your question is in two parts -
1. first the best way to connect up your laptop to to the Audio Interface &  Kawai 
2. When you've got Pianoteq playing through the Kawai speakers, how to configure Pianoteq so it sounds great.

part 2. might warrant another topic post so some of the experts around here can advise what you can adjust within Pianoteq to get that great sound.

Best wishes,

Shaun