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Topic: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

My first "New Topic"

Has anyone used the new Casio PX-S3000 with Pianoteq? 

I am looking at the PX-S3000 as a new keyboard for myself (replacing a 30 some year old Roland RD 1000 - weighs a ton!), but I have questions that I just can't seem to find the answer to.  Specifically, the PX-S3000 Smart Scaling, smart features (replacing the tri-sensors with only two but providing internal software features to make it even better than tri-sensors), and HD MIDI. Do these smart features also apply to MIDI messages sent via USB out from the PX-S3000 to a host computer, or do they only apply to the internal sounds of the keyboard?   

I had been looking for a controller only because all I use in my project studio is VSTi. So on-board sounds from a DP isn't a high priority.  However, I thought about  what if some friends wanted to meet up and jam some place?  No way I can take my current rig because of size, number of components, etc... So when I read about the new PX-S3000, I thought that maybe a new DP instead of just a controller would kind of fit both scenarios.  So if anyone has any experience using the PX-S3000 with Pianoteq, I would appreciate feedback.  I did get the opportunity to play the PX-S1000 yesterday and for myself, I loved the action and the dynamic control - something really lacking on my Roland RD 1000, but this was at a GC store, so I could not try it out as a VST controller.

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

Interested as well, particularly in the PX-S1000.

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

I have the Casio PX-S3000 and Pianoteq but I am new to the piano.   I did play Trombone six nights a week in a rock-jazz band back in the 70's.
I bought a Kawai ES8 and Pianoteq three years ago but the keyboard had some issues so I returned and I just got around to getting the Casio PX-S3000.
The keyboard feels good and sounds nice but I do like the Pianoteq sounds better.
I would like to see a good keyboard velocity curve for the PX-S3000!

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

So far I have confirmed that the PX-S3000 does indeed send High Resolution MIDI velocity to Pianoteq from a user on another forum.  However, regarding my other question about the PX-S3000 - I believe I may have failed in the way I phrased my question.  So let me try again. 

Here are some statements from Mike Martin at Casio:  "Both the PX-S and CDP-S keybeds feature a NEW scaled, weighted hammer action and keys with simulated ebony and ivory surfaces. The PX-S keybed also includes a patent-pending "smart scaling" feature that simulates the hammer and key behavior of each of the 88 keys individually.

In addition to the above some other differences.

BOTH are two sensor actions. While I don't expect you to take my word for it, these new instruments especially the PX-S series perform better in almost every respect than the tri-sensor action found in previous models. Trust me we had people meticulously comparing them throughout the NAMM show.

The PX-S series action has some additional features not included on the CDP-S. This includes High Resolution MIDI Velocity and Release velocity."

So my question is: Does the "smart scaling" feature on the PX-S3000 affect not only how the action triggers the internal sounds, but  does it affect how the action triggers external sounds (VSTi) over USB MIDI out into Painoteq or a DAW or Kontakt, etc...?

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

You may want to send an email to ThePianoMan.

Chuck has posted video reviews of both the Casio keyboard and Pianoteq.  The Casio PX-S1000 and PX-S3000 he sells  —and offers deals!

https://youtu.be/sxMgPDQ7OBY

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

I did end up purchasing the PX-S3000.  It does indeed send Note On High Resolution Velocity.  However, contrary to what the manual says about note-off velocity (0-127) in the MIDI implementation chart, it does NOT send note off velocity.  This was verified in the MIDI monitor in Pianoteq and in MIDI-OX and by another PX-S3000 owner on another forum.  The PX-S3000 only sends 64 for note off value, not the 0-127 that the manual states.  According to an admin on Casio forum, this is an error in the manual.  So, if Note-Off velocity is important to you, then this is not the keyboard for you should you be considering one.   Outside of this issue, I am happy with the PX-S3000 as a controller for my VSTi's.  I love the touch and feel of the keybed.

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

Transmit fast repeats?

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

It will do both slow and fast repeats without the key(s) going all the way up.

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Re: Anyone Using PX-S3000 with Pianoteq?

clawsonk wrote:

It will do both slow and fast repeats without the key(s) going all the way up.

This is the normal behavior of every dual-sensor keyboard in my opinion (not "going all the way up" for repeats).

For example on a Kawai ES3 the upper contact is at 42 % of full key depress:

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0 mm (0 %)

5 mm (42 %) note-off

9 mm (75 %) note-on

12 mm (100 %) full key depress
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In other words the key just has to go up to 58 % of the way before the note can be repeated.

What about the Casio PX-S3000?