Topic: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

Hi all,

I recently got myself an SL88 grand and pianoteq in addition to my Spinett and, this being my first digital instrument, I'm a bit overwhelmed by the number of buttons and settings. I'm using Pianoteq Stage as standalone software.

I have two things to ask:

1) I'm using a graded Yamaha pedal for sustain - but somehow it's always inverted. In a way it's inverted twice. The way I got it to work now: I assigned the MIDI channel to inverted sustain but still, everytime I start Pianoteq or switch instrument I have to first click the sustain pedal in the UI (toggle) so the pedal works as intended - this has, however, still the wrong pedal noise... any advice?

2) Although selecting an instrument from the menu obviously works I thought it would be nice to be able to do this through the controller. Is there any way to use the whole program and groups functionality for that? I haven't been able to figure out anything about this...

Thanks!

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

If you go to Pianoteq's Options->MIDI, scroll to Controller 64, change the range so that it starts at 1 and ends at 0, and save the MIDI mapping as default one. Should work all the time now.

Hard work and guts!

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

Yamah pedals are usually reverse of other pedals I have found.

Pianoteq 8, most pianos, Studiologic 73 Piano, Casio Px-560M, PX-S 3000, PX-S 1100, PX-S 7000, Mac i27 and MacBook Pro M3, SS Logic SSL 2

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

I got an SL88 Grand late last year. I, too, wanted to use the controls to change instruments and presets. I'd intended using the SL as my main controller on the music keyboard drawer under my (expensive) desk. Unfortunately it's too heavy to be stable on the drawer, despite the desk manufacturer's assurances that it would be stable with the weight of the SL on it.

Anyway, this means I have the SL behind my desk, so I've set up the controls to change instruments and presets to save me having to swivel my chair around 180° to change things on the computer.

I've set up stick 2 to increment/decrement instrument by moving the stick up and back to the centre/down and back to the centre (IIRC, I'm not at my SL at the moment). I've done the same with stick 3 but to increment/decrement preset. These settings are saved in my PTQ global midi map and on the presets on the SL itself.

It's a bit awkward because of using the non-sprung axes of the sticks, I couldn't get it to work with the sprung direction of stick 2 due to the way the values are scaled (again, working from recollection from when I set it up a while ago).

If it helps, I can post the settings from my midi map when I'm back at my computer, just let me know.

PTQ Std: Blüthner, K2, YC5, Steinway D, Kremsegg 2, Celeste, Hohner, Electric pianos
UbuntuStudio, SL88 Grand, Keystation 88es

1903 Bechstein Model 8, Yamaha CP-30

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

Hi thanks EvilDragon - my pedal is on 11 but so far that seems to do the trick! One down, one to go

But does that mean I can't use the fancy SL88 controls at all to change instrument? I kind of thought that was what a midi controller is supposed to do? I can't use the sticks since they're assigned to other things (volume, etc.)

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

As I said in my post, you can assign the sticks to change instrument and preset (or anything else you want to do).

Edited to add: sorry, now I'm at my SL I realise that I've got Stick 2 changing between A and B and Stick 3 changes between instruments on one axis and between presets on the other axis.

Last edited by Jorvik (01-04-2019 20:42)
PTQ Std: Blüthner, K2, YC5, Steinway D, Kremsegg 2, Celeste, Hohner, Electric pianos
UbuntuStudio, SL88 Grand, Keystation 88es

1903 Bechstein Model 8, Yamaha CP-30

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

Okay - I got it. Seems you need the sl editor to get this right... I get how the thing works now but it really is a bit of a pain to use.
Quick summary:

- Assign the preset to a program change on channel 1
- edit the program (name and desired program change command)
- save the program

If you want more detail on how this works, let me know.

What a way to spend the evening instead of practicing

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

I don't recall changing any settings in the SL (and I couldn't use the editor anyway because Studiologic don't bother to support Linux, unlike Modarrt). I'm pretty sure I used the midi CCs that the sticks were set to and only changed the default midi map in Pianoteq.

There's no need to mess around with changing presets on the SL to change presets in the software, you can use the sticks to change up and down.

PTQ Std: Blüthner, K2, YC5, Steinway D, Kremsegg 2, Celeste, Hohner, Electric pianos
UbuntuStudio, SL88 Grand, Keystation 88es

1903 Bechstein Model 8, Yamaha CP-30

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

there's probably no _need_, I agree - but I think its much nicer now. I don't even need to look at my computer screen - the little display on the sl88 tells me the instrument name and I can pick and choose from the list.

I use one of the sticks to switch A/B but it seems a bit weird with the analog stick and also sometimes I will "flicker" back and forth between A and B while I'm moving the stick.

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

I don't know if that helps, but :
When I start my Studiologic SL88, without any pedal in "pedal 1" socket, the notes I play are without sustain.. ok, that's normal..

Then I plug my Yamaha pedal into the socket, and then I get the following behaviour :
When pedal is not pressed, sustain is on; ie notes still ring even though the key is released..
When pedal is pressed, sustain is off; ie notes end as soon as I release the key..

Then, I turn off my SL88, and I turn it on again, without pressing on the sustain pedal, and then the sustain pedal has the normal behaviour (sustain is on when pedal is pressed)..

But if I turn the SL88 on with my foot pressing the pedal, then I get the inverted behaviour (sustain is on when pedal is not pressed)..

It seems to me that the SL88 scans the pedal inputs when I turn it on, and then decides of the behaviour of those inputs, according to their state when power is turned on.. I suppose this is the way it can adapt to any pedal "polarity"..

Have a nice evening..
Thierry

Last edited by opus.quatre (03-04-2019 17:35)

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

Hey - that trick didn't work for me but it's all good now (see my other post)

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

I have a SL88 Grand (and I love it) - if I remember correctly the SL will detect the correct setting for the pedal when turned on, so if you have everything setup, try to turn the piano off, then on, and see if it works correctly. I checked the SL User Manuan, and it does not mention it, but I remember this function from my old SL990 XP.

You may want to experiment having the pedal pushed down when turning the keyboard on, just to test this.

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Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

Torsten B. Hagemann wrote:

I have a SL88 Grand (and I love it) - if I remember correctly the SL will detect the correct setting for the pedal when turned on, so if you have everything setup, try to turn the piano off, then on, and see if it works correctly. I checked the SL User Manuan, and it does not mention it, but I remember this function from my old SL990 XP.

You may want to experiment having the pedal pushed down when turning the keyboard on, just to test this.

that didn't work for me but evildragons reply solved the case!

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

Apart from the initial setup, how do you like the SL88? How is the key sensitivity and hammer action? I've definitely been coveting one of these for a while now.

Re: Studiologic SL88 and instrument settings + inverted pedal problem

I've had it for I while now and I think it's worth the money.

It's certainly not perfect and miles away from the MP11 (haven't played the VPC1 though) BUT once I play for a while I rarely feel the real need for a new keyboard. It's not limiting me in any way.
When it comes to translating subtle dynamics then using Pianoteq rather than a VST is much more noticable.

If you have that option, it's probably worth to try a VPC1 if you're okay with the absense of any control buttons and a weight that's prohibitive when it comes to moving the thing around. With about 20kg, I can carry the SL88 on my own. I doubt that would still work with anything much heavier or bulkier.

Before I bought it, I also played some other master keyboard (unfortunately I don't remember the makes) in the same price range and found the SL88 grand to be the best of those.

What really does feel nice about it, is the key surface - it has just a little bit of roughness to it. I think it even feels better than some more glossy actual piano keys.