Topic: PT and Reaper

Currently evaluating Reaper. Using PT standard 6.3.1 as a VST plugin with mixed success. I get frequent crashes. I am on MacOS 10.10.5 (which works perfectly with PT standalone, never any problem). I am importing a multi channel MIDI file in Reaper, with the purpose of playing the piano track with PT and all the other tracks with my synths.
I was able to get it to work for  a while, but sooner or later Reaper quits with a "fatal error" (only happens if I use PT as a VST). Any ideas?

Last edited by aWc (09-01-2019 23:00)
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Re: PT and Reaper

not a clue.
I've been using Reaper for many years.
and using PT for in it for years now too.
never had this problem.
does the problem happen with other piano programs besides PT?
this forum is excellent for getting help.
but just wanted to tell you that the Reaper forum also is excellent.

https://forum.cockos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

Last edited by chasmanian (10-01-2019 04:07)

Re: PT and Reaper

chasmanian wrote:

not a clue.
I've been using Reaper for many years.
and using PT for in it for years now too.
never had this problem.
does the problem happen with other piano programs besides PT?
this forum is excellent for getting help.
but just wanted to tell you that the Reaper forum also is excellent.

https://forum.cockos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

Thanks. I had just posted my issue on the Reaper forum! I don't use any other piano program.

PT 7.3 with Steinway B and D, U4 upright, YC5, Bechstein DG, Steingraeber, Ant. Petrov, Kremsegg Collection #2, Electric Pianos and Hohner Collection. http://antoinewcaron.com

Re: PT and Reaper

you're welcome.
good luck. 
between these forums, I'm sure you'll get it working fine.

Re: PT and Reaper

Hi aWc, I'd guess this issue could be interesting to Modartt if turns out it's a thing they can implement a solution for.

Hope you get it working.

There are a lot of possibilities - I'm not expert with Reaper and it's settings are very extensive.



First thing to mind since on Mac, is in(Options/Preferences) choosing "Plug-ins/Compatibility" change "VST bridging/firewalling" to "Only Native" rather than "Automatic bridging (when required)". But if it doesn't help, I'd try also the other options here (separate and dedicated processes) before moving on to other things.

Also in the 'Compatibility' section, try deselecting "Pre-zeroing plug-in output buffers" and also uncheck "Reduce denormalization from plug-ins". Maybe, in Mac these Reaper helpers may failing to parse correctly (not sure if that makes it a Mac, Reaper or Pianoteq issue - but could be a nice thing to test). Maybe Pianoteq doesn't send this extraneous info too - in which case, maybe just on Mac, this setting fails over and causes the glitch when looking for non existent data.



Since you're working with multi track midi files, in the settings box, on left, choosing 'MIDI', on the right I'd look at things like:

"Create new MIDI items as" - set to ".MID files" (rather than MIDI items). Just in case it's this simple (handling of midi files on a different drive or where other things which should be beneficial become bottlenecks - may be some issues in importing multichannel midi whilst Reaper is making them into proprietary "MIDI items" on Mac - worth a shot).

"Import multichannel MIDI files" set to "as single channel items on multiple tracks" (rather than "always prompt...") in case some code forking blob stalls waiting for your optional input.

Try checking the box: "Handle type 0 MIDI files containing meta-events as if they were multichannel MIDI files" - in case some logic overlaps in regards to your multi chan setups.



Also on left, further down, select "VST" settings, on the right try:

Check the paths to your VSTs in the box displaying them - even if they look right - definitely still try clicking the "Clear cache/re-scan" button (A lot of DAWs require a similar rescan in certain circumstances such as when you have two identical plugin names. Recently this happened to me, as an example, demo plugins were used, tested then purchased but Ableton required a rescan to recognise the change because like Reaper, it reads the first and discards later 'versions' of the same plugin name - I vaguely remember similar issues back in the 90s with some other DAWs.

Try Reaper's vanilla UI option for plugins by selecting the box "Default VST to generic UI (instead of plug-in UI)". You get a list of editable items but without the original interface - it's a bit austere but you can also one-click toggle between it and Pianoteq's normal interface (for doing things like choosing your piano) - then maybe consider toggling to no UI for when recording/playing back only. (not best solution but in case it's a very Mac specific UI handing bug in Reaper or Pianoteq - hopefully if it's this solution, it could point Modartt to something they might be able to alter in a future update).

Also check box "Bypass audio while opening plug-in config window" - can't hurt.

And others, like maybe try in "Keyboard/Multitouch" to disable Multitouch in checkboxes there - I do encounter UI issues occasionally because of certain programs overlaying their own touch screen overlays (some 'laptop' installs types include 'optional' touch elements enabled by default for whatever reason it seems - maybe these expect it to gain popularity still) - so when you mouse click on a plugin with its own UI kit, it may create erroneous commands and get crashy.

Just posting all these because they're my boiled down choices to look at first - hoping it saves time esp. in case they are overlooked - and at least hoping it leads to a clue.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: PT and Reaper

Qexl wrote:

Also in the 'Compatibility' section, try deselecting "Pre-zeroing plug-in output buffers" and also uncheck "Reduce denormalization from plug-ins".

This is not a good idea as disabling the first option can produce unwanted noises with certain plugins, and the other option will increase the CPU usage of most plugins... I don't think those options are the culprits anyways.

Reaper's been rock solid over here for years...

Last edited by EvilDragon (11-01-2019 08:11)
Hard work and guts!

Re: PT and Reaper

Issue apparently resolved! A poster on the Reaper forum told me to re-install PT. Until then, I thought I had the latest version, but I did not! (6.3 versus 6.3.1). Reaper even popped a message occasionally that "version 6.3 plugin has a severe bug". Installing 6.3.1 seemed to have completely cured the problem.

Is it me or Moddart never announce the update to 6.3.1 (which they say fixed an attack problem at low velocity, no mention of a plugin problem). ? Is there some kind of automatic notification that can be set?
Anyways, thanks to all who posted suggestions.

PT 7.3 with Steinway B and D, U4 upright, YC5, Bechstein DG, Steingraeber, Ant. Petrov, Kremsegg Collection #2, Electric Pianos and Hohner Collection. http://antoinewcaron.com

Re: PT and Reaper

There is no official notification (other than checking the user area and changes history) with interim changes but it would indeed be useful to have a short message in the forum announcing them. Maybe the newsletter mentions them but I think it is sent only with a new instrument or major version release.

By the way in the changes there is a notice for version 6.3.0 that seems related to your problem but is dated AFTER the 6.3.0 release. Maybe that explains the problem if the correction was not applied immediately to 6.3.0 or if it was corrected in 6.3.0 but you didn't know you had to reinstall...

Last edited by Gilles (11-01-2019 19:49)

Re: PT and Reaper

interesting find Gilles. The least I can say is that Moddart could do a better job of keeping the community informed of software updates. It would have saved me a lot of time!

PT 7.3 with Steinway B and D, U4 upright, YC5, Bechstein DG, Steingraeber, Ant. Petrov, Kremsegg Collection #2, Electric Pianos and Hohner Collection. http://antoinewcaron.com

Re: PT and Reaper

Glad you got it working.

Here's a version 6 change history url in case others are looking.

New forum thread per update might be a good thing for users and useful for Modartt to keep subscribed - or making this link a little more visible seems good too. Personally, I'm bookmarking it now before I forget (with keywords Pianoteq,change,history).

Thanks EvilDragon, you're right - that's great advice when using Reaper - it's certainly a solid and detailed DAW - will be ditching a 'big name' DAW for it soon. Sad about it (there are things I'll miss) but happy Reaper is there.

Probably my near-miss better advice (discarding the rest of it) might have been this if I had posted it at top, under VST settings:

... try clicking the "Clear cache/re-scan" button

But that would have depended on aWc having the latest version installed - so I missed the mark entirely on all counts

Oh wells, cheers.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors