Topic: newbie question

hi folks: i'm testing out the trial version of pianoteq and so far i am very impressed. a friend has the full version and while i like all the pianos, i'm extremely impressed with the CP80, which does not come with the trial version. in my opinion, it sounds better than the one i used to own in the 1980s. that is, except for one significant apparent flaw. the F# just below middle C is substantially louder than the rest of the notes around it and has a sharp metallic tone to it, unlike the other notes, especially at louder volumes. it jumps out at me when i play it.
i was wondering if there is a fix available to the model or can you edit the individual notes tone characteristics with the full version? please steer me to the right forum if this has already been dealt with.
thanks,
ps: i'd love to see modartt  apply its expertise to creating a modelled electric guitar.

Re: newbie question

Hi rw,

I can't reproduce this but here are some ideas to begin with in case it helps (let us know if you can't fix it though - may be something others do hear too of course)..

it may be your room is blooming or 'ringing' in that frequency range (different instruments have so many different overtones etc. and it may only be this instrument which kicks off the ringing), or similar with your speakers or headphones (try more ways of listening in case it's just the one speaker or headphones it seems to happen with. If it's just speakers, maybe moving them away from a wall or other things may help significantly) - it's a very common cause of this kind of thing. You can test your keyboard to be sure it's not firing a higher velocity than other keys (by clicking the Pianoteq mini keyboard - or 'Control k' to bring up a computer keyboard way to play notes).

Here are some things you can do to attenuate though (without need for Standard or Pro versions)..

in the "effects" section, select an EQU3 effect, and try playing around with these values:

Frequency: 370
Gain:       -10.00
Q:           15.00

and go from there to take any extra oomph out of just that note.

I'd say, if you have the taste and desires to delve into detailing your pianos, very definitely I would recommend Pro because you can alter so much about every element of the sound (multiple small edits to many things can be extremely powerful to get entirely realistic but unique pianos of your own design - including the tiniest elements of tuning down to single notes - strike point - note by note editing of everything valuable to the whole sum of the parts), you can create whatever you plan to - including very non-piano sounds venturing into creative grounds for pads and soundscapes.

I have the Studio offering which is Pro plus all instruments - if you have the budget or have saved up, and you believe you'd be likely to eventually collect the set, it's the least expensive way to do so in the end - no regrets here - some of the best money I've spent on musical gear without a doubt - in fact, a little like a broken record at times, I do say often how pleased I am with Modartt, compared to practically all other software I've encountered over decades - practically uniquely good, not too shy to say it again.

If budget doesn't allow this, you can still target certain things like the above with EQU3 in Stage or Standard - may require some learning curve and patience which is all worth it. You can also change the EQ of the "amp" if the preset has that in the chain - may also help clear a given frequency.

There has been some discussion about guitar I was very much in the camp of "Please stick to pianos" - until lately, I'm still a leaning that way - but as development pace picks up and the tech is solidified, I can certainly see a time when more instrument types become not only doable without limiting work on pianos but maybe even (gasp) inevitable

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: newbie question

It could be uneven response of a MIDI controller?
You can change the volume of individual notes in Standard and Pro.  Right click on volume>note edit. This was pointed out to me recently on this forum.

I hope Moddart reserve Pianoteq for emulation of percussive instruments. Any guitar emulation should be a different engine just as organs are going to be at some point, assuming they got enough interest in that to make it commercially viable.

  I don't hear this issue but I don't have your controller, loudspeakers and listening room. Hopefully this won't offend but I also wonder if there may be a slight element of rose tinted glasses as the real CP80s sound clunky and funky in the lower registers owing to the short bass strings. I hear that quality in demos of both the CP80 and the Kawai EP308 to a certain extent. Of course this could be unrelated to what you are hearing.

Re: newbie question

to Qexl and Key Fumbler: thanks so much for you quick responses. you guys are amazing.
however, this didn't quite solve my problem, though it may have answered my larger question.
1. to Qexl: the problem cannot be due to "blooming or 'ringing' in that frequency range." i recorded an audio file of the output then changed its pitch (using a high quality algorithm) up and down a few semitones and the same note (not the same frequency) rang out differently -- more top end and a bit more shrill. i also recorded a MIDI file of my playing and altered the instrument's MIDI pitch with the same result -- so the keyboard controller is not the issue.
attenuating the frequency of the note (the F# below middle C) via EQU3 did bring the volume of the note down but at the expense of making it even thinner -- though a little less resonant at the top.
2. to Key Fumbler: the volume>note edit does work in the trial version, however the CP80 is not available in the trial version. my friend is using the Stage version, which has the CP80, but the the volume>note edit function is not available. however, it sounds like getting the Standard or Pro version will give me access to that function, which should solve my problem -- fingers crossed!
thanks again for your great advice. if this is an example of the quality of the pianoteq community, i'm highly impressed!

Re: newbie question

You're most welcome rw, thanks so much for such kind words! Happy Pianoteq-ing

rw wrote:

EQU3 did bring the volume of the note down but at the expense of making it even thinner -- though a little less resonant at the top

If you can discern these elements, I have to say, Pro might best satisfy. I could be quite happy with Stage or Standard (the defaults are great) - but I'm even more perfectly happy with the ability to make my own variants in such granular detail.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: newbie question

rw wrote:

to Qexl and Key Fumbler: thanks so much for you quick responses. you guys are amazing.
however, this didn't quite solve my problem, though it may have answered my larger question...
...
2. to Key Fumbler: the volume>note edit does work in the trial version, however the CP80 is not available in the trial version. my friend is using the Stage version, which has the CP80, but the the volume>note edit function is not available. however, it sounds like getting the Standard or Pro version will give me access to that function, which should solve my problem -- fingers crossed!
thanks again for your great advice. if this is an example of the quality of the pianoteq community, i'm highly impressed!

Thank you for involving me in that.
I recently got Standard upgrade in the 30% off sale, for me that made it a fair price upgrade for Stage. No one should be put off by the small limitations of Stage though, it is quite capable already but this per key adjustment is missing, and the excellent 3d virtual microphone positioning, along with adjustment of tuning, voicing etc.

Devoted pianists with serious quality controllers will probably want to just jump in with the full "Studio Bundle" package though.