Topic: Sound Card upgrade ?

Hi, I have recently installed Pianoteq and have been trying to find some information about my onboard sound card. I was wondering if I would see much improvement in sound quality if I upgraded to an interface .Here is a link to my motherboard :

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z370-A-PRO

I am using a DP 10 X digital piano with midi out, USB to host, aux in and line out. I have a Alesis Core 1 interface but I have not been able to get it to work with pianoteq.

Any help with recommendations for a audio interface to improve the sound quality for recording is much appreciated.

Re: Sound Card upgrade ?

That motherboard has an excellent audio sub-system. I don’t think you’re going to hear much of an improvement over an external sound card. If I had that motherboard the only reason I’d go for an external sound card would be to get I/O ports for recording or live performance sound.

FWIW - my two MacBook Airs have good built-in sound. With headphones, I can’t hear the difference between them and my Mackie MDB-USB DAC. Even on my QSC 8.2 speakers, there is only a very minor bump in the bass response, but it’s not significant enough for the average listener to notice the difference.

Last edited by Groove On (08-11-2018 04:28)

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If you are using Windows (as I suppose), make a test of ASIO4All, it will not improve the audio quality but probably give you a lot less latency.
http://www.asio4all.org/

Re: Sound Card upgrade ?

If your system ASIO or WASAPI drivers give you low latency the biggest upgrade you can make is with better loudspeakers, even with average onboard sound chip. Look to get some decent active loudspeakers with at least 5.25" woofers.

After that you can consider a better internal soundcard or external sound device if you want, the difference will be relatively far smaller but should also be worthwhile.

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Thanks very much for all the help. I am a little confused about the different audio outputs pianoteq lets me choose from. In the output section I have speakers realtek R audio, speakers usb device, speakers Alesis Core 1 or nvidia high def audio.

I presume the realtek output is my best option as this is using my motherboards sound. Should I always choose ASIO with this from the audio device type menu and is ASIO the best option which ever output you use ?

I have been using the realtek audio with a sample rate of 88200 hz and an audio buffer size of 384 samples at 4.4ms.

My original question about audio interfaces was with recording in mind. Is there any benefit over my motherboard sound with using an interface for this purpose ?

I forgot to mention I am on Windows 10 64.

Thanks again for the help.

Last edited by Tim1981 (08-11-2018 20:21)

Re: Sound Card upgrade ?

Re: Recording

- if you are recording Pianoteq, you don’t need an audio interface, you can record Pianoteq directly in the computer at the highest quality. Technically, you would record your performance as MIDI and then export to an audio file.

- if you are recording vocals or acoustic instruments, the main advantage of using an audio interface is that you can use high quality professional mics to get better recordings (assuming you know how to use the mics properly).

- the Alesis Core 1 is an audio interface that works with dynamic or battery operated mics (no phantom power). You can also directly plug-in and record an electric guitar. The Alesis Core 1 is a mono only device, so it cannot be used to record in stereo.

- if you have a condenser mic, you need an audio interface that supplies 48 volt phantom power to the mic.

Re: Audio Output
On your system the built-in Realtek Audio and Alesis Core 1 Audio interface are the best audio output options*.They are probably equal in playback quality. To be practical, I’d reserve the Alesis Core 1 for recording and connect my speakers to the built-in Realtek Audio.

* note: NVIDIA High Quality Audio is for HDMI playback

Last edited by Groove On (09-11-2018 03:46)

Re: Sound Card upgrade ?

I would give the same answer as Groove on.
Don't use the Nvidia for music production.

You can use either the Core 1 or the Realtek as the output device. I think you will find the latency on either to be so low as to be indistinguishable for MIDI keyboard performance.
I've tried a Realtek and found the Windows Audio Exclusive mode to give lightning fast response like a good ASIO driver.

The quality of the audio as recorded in your DAW is not affected by the output device -  it is not part of the recording chain. You don't have to concern yourself with input device quality for the virtual instruments. 
Obviously the output device does partly determine the quality of the playback (what you hear).  The main difference in what you hear is determined by the playback system's room acoustics, loudspeakers and amplifiers and then to a much lesser extent to the sound device or DAC and so on. It all makes a difference to your enjoyment of the sound, and your ability to assess sound quality, but get the best loudspeakers for your room.

Last edited by Key Fumbler (09-11-2018 11:32)

Re: Sound Card upgrade ?

Thanks again for the help. I'm glad I started this thread as I was way off in the way I thought it worked.

So even if I had a high quality audio interface set up it has nothing to do with improving the quality of recordings through Pianoteq. The only aspect the interface would effect is what you hear while playing through either your headphones or external monitors ? I assumed otherwise because of the vast difference of audio quality you hear with piano videos on youtube.

I may just look at a quality pair of headphones for playing the piano instead then as I do not use speakers and the DP 10x speakers are quite poor.

Re: Sound Card upgrade ?

Tim1981 wrote:

Thanks again for the help. I'm glad I started this thread as I was way off in the way I thought it worked.

So even if I had a high quality audio interface set up it has nothing to do with improving the quality of recordings through Pianoteq. The only aspect the interface would effect is what you hear while playing through either your headphones or external monitors ? I assumed otherwise because of the vast difference of audio quality you hear with piano videos on youtube.

I may just look at a quality pair of headphones for playing the piano instead then as I do not use speakers and the DP 10x speakers are quite poor.

In that case I suggest getting a decent Dac headphone amplifier unit to drive some decent high impedance audiophile headphones. If there is no optical digital out on your Realtek/motherboard then get a decent internal soundcard with one so that you can connect the Dac headphone amplifier. Alternatively a high quality USB version that will easily drive 300 ohm loads.

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Thanks again for all the help.

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That motherboard has the Realtek ALC892 codec, which has a low voltage output (like a smartphone), so yes, it will need amplification in order to drive many headphones to a loud level. (unless the motherboard has a separate headphone amp, which I doubt).

Two other options to consider: just get efficient headphones, and connect them directly to the motherboard. It IS possible to get very good quality full size headphones that are compatible with smartphones & PCs etc.

Another option is to just get a simple analog headphone amp, to amplify the motherboard output.

If you do decide to get a USB DAC/headphone amp, try to make sure it either a)comes with an ASIO driver, or b) works well with the generic ASIO4ALL driver.

Greg.