Topic: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

So I'm using an FCB1010 MIDI foot controller with Pianoteq (Standalone) and it works quite well. However if I use Pianoteq within Reaper the FCB1010 commands don't seem to make it to Pianoteq. Does anyone know if there's a simple way to get this to work?

Also, any idea if I could mute a track in Reaper with a program change using the FCB1010? I've got two instances of Pianoteq, and would like to be able to mute/unmute one for live performance.

Thanks in advance.

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

I got my Behringer FCB1010 back in 2013, if my memory serves me.  It’s hardly used, still looks brand new.  I got mine to add to the possible number of MIDI messages sent to an upright bass VST from an electric upright in realtime. 

A software utility came with it, but an additional one is available maybe for just a modest sum.  Let me know if you have either.  Anyway as I’m unfamiliar with the particulars of Reaper, perhaps the utilities available for the FCB1010 will help you to facilitate it in any DAW.

As I understand it, a program change you use when you want to change instruments within an external MIDI sound module or multi-instrument VST on a single track.

Whenever I want to mute or unmute a track in Apple Logic, I may do so from a dedicated control surface such as my PreSonus Faderport.  It’s one of the cheapest.  Maybe Behringer has something priced comparably.

Have you done the Behringer EPROM Upgrade or a similar one from a third party, specifically, for the Behringer FCB1010?

If all else fails, Global MIDI Mapping in the Pianoteq Options pane of the Pianoteq interface might help.

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (30-10-2018 21:30)
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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Thanks for the reply.

I think I did update the firmware a while back, can't remember for sure but likely official firmware.

The odd thing is it works perfectly within Pianoteq standalone. Reaper also seems to have no trouble seeing control messages sent from it. But for some reason the pianoteq VST can't see its control messages (within Reaper).

Last edited by NathanShirley (30-10-2018 22:41)

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

You see no controller messages inside the Pianoteq Options pane whenever in Reaper; you see however, keyboard Note On and Note Off messages!

Have you within the pane chosen Global MIDI Mapping, correctly, and “Any” or a corresponding MIDI channel?  A channel corresponding to any used by the FCB1010 is necessary for the Notes Channel selection appearing under the Pianoteq Options, specifically, in use while in Reaper.

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (31-10-2018 19:30)
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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Thanks again. Yes all of that is set correctly. This seems to be an odd issue with Reaper, I'll try a different DAW and see if it works.

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

You know possibly a simple work-around is your own keyboard, if it has MIDI in and thru pins for the FCB1010 to connect directly.

If you’re on a Mac, you may use the Behringer FCB1010 with MainStage and macOS, of course.  Many professionals use it and MainStage together.

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (14-11-2018 09:26)
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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

I've tried that too, but can only get it to partially work that way. The expression pedals don't seem to work, and I can get the FCB1010 to change internal sounds on the keyboard, but I can't get it to pass through to Pianoteq. I'm not great with MIDI...

I had even less success with a different DAW, so I think for now I'll just have to simplify what I was attempting to do... running out of time for this performance.

Somewhat related feature request: I would love if Pianoteq allowed two instruments to be played at once, or better yet combined into a new instrument with both characteristics. This would be nice not only for the obvious reasons, but it might also eliminate the problem of having sound cut out when you switch to a different preset. For live performance the sound cutting out with sustained notes is difficult to work around.

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Have a look at this one: https://www.cantabilesoftware.com

But, if you’re experiencing problems with two DAWs, I’d immediately say either you neglected to make a Gobal MIDI Mapping preset specifically for the FCB1010 or just neglected to load one whenever you opened Pianoteq in Reaper.

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (14-11-2018 06:17)
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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Wow thanks so much for your help, this software is great and worked perfectly right away.

Do you by chance know how to set a MIDI command to mute/unmute an instrument? I can probably figure out how to do it with a volume change if not.

Thanks again, I do appreciate it!

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

I have to admit I last used my Behringer FCB1010 about five years ago.  Perhaps a MIDI learn from the FCB1010 should work, if it’s done onto the Pianoteq Mute parameter (slider) under the Pianoteq ACTION button. 

I say that, as a last resort of course.  An alternative is probably this https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=5547.

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (14-11-2018 09:30)
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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

SPL Mo-Verb Plus is a plugin that might eliminate your sound cutting off —as you switch instruments.  It’s on a 87% off sale today only.

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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Cantabile worked perfectly for my performance, I do appreciate you pointing me toward that. I didn't have time to look at SPL Mo-Verb, but will look into it.

I'm assuming a reverb plugin could help somewhat, in that if I was not using Pianoteq's built-in reverb, then a separate reverb plugin would continue the reverberation sound while I switched Pianoteq presets. I've got some other reverb plugins I could use for that. Or does SPL Mo-Verb somehow allow you to sustain the sounds themselves (not just reverberant sounds)? What I would ideally like to do is play and hold a chord, then switch to a new instrument as the original chord continues to play, then once I play something else the new instrument kicks in.

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Perhaps you ought to start a thread to request a future Pianoteq update feature continuous note sustains, throughout preset changes, if it’s really important to you!

Until such a feature becomes a fixture, you’ll just have to assign to each of your loaded Pianoteq instances its own exclusive MIDI channel and select a new preset from your keyboard or foot controller only on some alternative MIDI channel to the one used by the instance intended to firstly sustain the long concurrent notes (chords)  —upon channel changes.  Presently you should both change presets and avoid note cut-offs, if you alternate Pianoteq instances through MIDI channel choices.  One instance could sustain its sound uninterrupted, even if you’ve recently switched to another, matter-of-factly, via any recent change in MIDI controller output channel selection!

The sustained notes coming out of one of two Pianoteq instances might remain unaffected by the other instance if you’re going to change to the other’s input channel from your keyboard or any other controller.  Which ultimately is to redirect MIDI to that instance that receives it purposely on an alternate channel.

Two Pianoteq instances, in combination, allow a total of four (4) preconfigured presets or patches (in A/B selection) to receive MIDI data dissimilarly on each respective Pianoteq instance's channel via the choices you make in output channel selection  —right on your MIDI controller.

Personally, if I were you I’d want to learn only as much as possible about MIDI and its terminology.  Thoroughly familiarize yourself with it, if you want to increase your proficiency at it and change your feeling badly about MIDI.  This personal advice is for anyone who considers MIDI overall important in his Pianoteq setup. 

Certainly one source of some truly valuable MIDI information is a book such as The Musician’s Guide to MIDI when it becomes available from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Musicians-Guide-...de+to+MID.

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (14-11-2018 16:31)
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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

I believe I see what you're getting at... sounds a bit complex, but would seem to have potential. And yes, I definitely need to learn more about MIDI in general, thanks for pointing out this resource.

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Well, I've moved from a potential solution that is theoretical onto an actual tested one that is proven.  Like you, I find a change from one MIDI channel to another results in cut-off notes.  On my own keyboard, a Yamaha Digital Piano P-95, it automatically and just prior to a channel change does send: "Mode Change:123 All notes off."  Which cuts off any notes, even with my sustain depressed.  On macOS, MidiPipe appears a workaround for me.  It permits me to change MIDI channels uninterruptedly!

Probably for you, with a Windows environment, many MIDI routing solutions are possible —like the following:


1.)  Sequential Channel Changer, http://www.midikarval.net/OtherVST.html

2.)  MidiMapper, http://www.midikarval.net/MidiMapper.html

3.)  MidiMaster 2.0, https://www.kvraudio.com/product/midima...al/details

4.)  MidiStation 1.2, https://www.kvraudio.com/product/midist...al/details

5.)  MidiRouter, https://www.kvraudio.com/product/midiro...midikarval


Within just one site alone a number of solutions are compatible with your Behringer FCB1010!  That one site I saw is: http://www.midikarval.net.

Do let me know if you find anything, really, helpful.

Incidentally, I've a macOS software to program my FCB1010 from a computer desktop (that is) apart from the physical unit itself.


http://www.wabbitwanch.com/_Media/ifcb2_gui-2.jpeg


A similar software is available to Windows users: https://mountainutilities.eu/fcb1010.

It comes with how-to-videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYNND5nMWhc

https://youtu.be/MMJQ-AHRSMs

Last edited by Amen Ptah Ra (14-11-2018 17:07)
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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Gig Performer is one software that is much like Cantabile.  Only, it lets you switch from a Pianoteq preset to another glitch free —with even sustained notes (chords).

The software runs on both OSX and MS Windows.  You get it at https://www.gigperformer.com.

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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Thanks for all these resources. I've been meaning to test some of this out, just haven't had time yet. Gig Performer looks fantastic, if it works as well as Cantabile and also allows sustained notes held while switching presets, then it will be perfect for me.

Thanks again for all your information.

Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

Sure!

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Re: Pianoteq in Reaper with FCB1010

GigPerformer is fantastic. It took some time setting everything up, but it works amazingly well now. Their new version (3) also allows MIDI recording, which is great because in theory you can have these elaborate MIDI configurations, switching instruments as you play, and all is recorded (without having to route MIDI out into another program to record it). I still need to test it more thoroughly, but so far so good.

The "patch persist" as they call it is really exactly what I was looking for, allowing you to switch between any number of instruments and have their decays/sustains overlap -- glitch free. For anyone interested, here's a demonstration they have:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8t8p7JVy-0

It's not quite as polished as Cantabile, but seems more flexible overall.