Topic: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

Another vote for a character piano like the Una Corda: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p...os-sounds/
I love the intimacy/softness/closeness/bigness/imperfection/transients/3D/noise........ and really am waiting for Pianoteq to come up with one!

Artists like Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds, Luchs and a few more are known for that sound. I recommend to check them out!

Please Modartt!

Last edited by jacou (08-07-2018 01:28)

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

That soft dry sound you hear a lot in film scores.

Ólafur Arnalds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnxSLwLFfNY

Nils Frahm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1mHyj3lubQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwS9YmF22Po

Here's one guy attempt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBCIvESTXNg

FXP U4ContemporaryArt4: https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/fxpcorner/index.php

Last edited by DonSmith (02-07-2018 04:10)

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

Yep you got it!
Thank you for that nice collection of clips!
Anyone else looking for that sound?

I recently stumbled across the free Spitfire Audio Labs Soft Piano
https://www.spitfireaudio.com/labs/
And I must say even if it has close to zero dynamic it sounds beautiful! And man for being free it is amazing!
It adds so much warmth, heart or authenticity to the piano sound.

If Pianoteq brought out a piano with a similar sound. Maybe another upright piano but without the piano cover, very close stereo micing options, felt and other material options to put between hammer and string and some extra noise (finger on key tapping, chair squeaking, pink noise etc) it would be so lovely!
I feel like technically it's absolutely possible with all the progress that Pianoteq made over the years.

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

You can already get pretty close to a similar sound, by reducing hammer hardness (i.e. piano 0.20, mezzo 0.45, forte 0.70), using Celeste pedal all the time (adds felt between hammer and strings), use the "Soft" timbral EQ preset (NOT the Equ3, but you can certainly do that post fast too - try the Vintage preset), increasing hammer, key release and sustain pedal noise, moving the mics around (provided you're on Standard/Pro) to get that close mic perspective, and then reducing the Dynamics slider to a low value (<20 dB). Can also use the "Dry room" reverb preset, with something like room size set to 25 m, tone to a negative value to make it a bit darker (something like -0.50), duration 0.50, mix to taste (I set mine to +12 dB).

Oh yeah, and use U4 model.


EDIT: I uploaded a patch to FXP corner here

Last edited by EvilDragon (08-07-2018 11:03)
Hard work and guts!

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

jacou wrote:

Another vote for a character piano like the Una Corda: https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p...os-sounds/
I love the intimacy/softness/closeness/bigness/imperfection/transients/3D/noise........ and really am waiting for Pianoteq to come up with one!

Artists like Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds, Luchs and a few more are known for that sound. I recommend to check them out!

Please Modartt!


Either NI's Una Corda: www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/keys/una-corda.
I have this and it is very good, although not as gentle on the CPU as Pianoteq.

More recently, Modartt's Steingraeber has an una corda pedal that gets very close.

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

That "una corda" is actually the "celeste" pedal, and you can use it on any model (just like all other pedals that Pianoteq offers).

Hard work and guts!

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

Here's another warm closely mic'd sound: https://youtu.be/AzWDs26YL9Y

P.S nice imaging too.

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

EvilDragon wrote:

You can already get pretty close to a similar sound, by reducing hammer hardness (i.e. piano 0.20, mezzo 0.45, forte 0.70), using Celeste pedal all the time (adds felt between hammer and strings), use the "Soft" timbral EQ preset (NOT the Equ3, but you can certainly do that post fast too - try the Vintage preset), increasing hammer, key release and sustain pedal noise, moving the mics around (provided you're on Standard/Pro) to get that close mic perspective, and then reducing the Dynamics slider to a low value (<20 dB). Can also use the "Dry room" reverb preset, with something like room size set to 25 m, tone to a negative value to make it a bit darker (something like -0.50), duration 0.50, mix to taste (I set mine to +12 dB).

Oh yeah, and use U4 model.


EDIT: I uploaded a patch to FXP corner here

Thanks EvilDragon! I'd love to check this out if......... I had the U4 and a Standard or Pro version of Pianoteq :'D still stuck with Stage and Bluethner which in my opinion is absolutely enough if only a beautiful and rich grand piano sound is needed. So I might have to take the step some time.
Is there a chance you can upload a Soundcloud sample of that sound?

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

That's a sweet FXP EvilDragon, thank you.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

jacou wrote:

Is there a chance you can upload a Soundcloud sample of that sound?

Hm, I did upload a MP3 demo along with the FXP in the FXP corner, with Clair de Lune as example.

https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/download.php?id=3121

Last edited by EvilDragon (15-07-2018 08:12)
Hard work and guts!

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

EvilDragon wrote:
jacou wrote:

Is there a chance you can upload a Soundcloud sample of that sound?

Hm, I did upload a MP3 demo along with the FXP in the FXP corner, with Clair de Lune as example.

https://www.forum-pianoteq.com/download.php?id=3121

That's sweet sounding! Lots of character even though a bit boxy still. I guess it's the wooden cover that can't be removed.
But cool how you got the percussion and mellowness into Pianoteq! Definitely showing potential!

Re: Nils Frahm, Olafur Arnalds Piano Sound

Once you raise the lid position it shows the graphic as if the cover is completely off in the mic positioning page, so methinks that is accounted for in the model...

Last edited by EvilDragon (16-07-2018 22:03)
Hard work and guts!