Topic: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

Hi there,

I'm playing usually Pianoteq with my Audio Technica ATH M50x just through my Macbook's headphone jack.
Now, I have purchased an audio interface - Presonus iOne.

It is very hard to judge but I have the feeling that when I play via the Presonus iOne Audio Interface the sound of Pianoteq is SLIGHTLY better, a little more clean. It is almost not noticeable, yet I do feel it's juuuuuust a little bit better.

Is this a placebo effect or could it be that the Presonus Audio Interface gives me better Pianoteq sound than my built-in Macbook sound card?

Again by the time I switch from built-in to audio interface in settings and play the same notes it's hard to judge, yet my feeling remains that it's slightly cleaner through the box. In other forums I read that it's not true and there is no quality improvement with an audio interface in this price range vs the built-in MacBook Pro sound card.

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

I use a 2013 Mac Pro that has the same built-in DAC as the MacBook Pro (or so I have read somewhere). I plug my keyboard in a Roland Duo-Capture Ex, a similar device to your PreSonus. I need to because my old keyboard only has MIDI in/out cables, no USB.

I can’t hear any difference with the same headphones between the two outputs. Today’s mass produced DACs are very capable and have similar characteristics. Only if you pay a lot for audiophile DACs can you expect to hear a difference, I think, and this is mainly because you can program different filters that can change the output, along with the (mostly useless in Pianoteq's case) capability to support very high sample rates.

Your Audio Technica has 38 ohms impedance so no large mismatch. One reason that may come to mind is that the combined amplification of the Mac and the PreSonus may give you more volume, and it is hard to match by ear when comparing the two (louder always sound better…)

One slight advantage of using only the MacBook is you are directly executing Core Audio code while the PreSonus adds its own driver overhead to it (but it’s not much really)

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

Hello All,

In the past two weeks, my trusty Apogee Duet (firewire) audio interface stopped working, and I bought a new Apogee Duet 2 USB interface to replace it.  As such, I had to make a decision:  Do I (1) simply use the line out 3.5 mm headphone on my MacPro tower, or (2) do I replace the audio interface with a new one?

To be totally frank, I could not swear I heard a difference when running Pianoteq through headphones running straight out of my MacPro.  However, when I ran the computer's line output into my stereo system, there was a noticeable loss in ambience of other types of recordings.  The difference was enough that, after a week of playing without my original Apogee Duet, I sprang the $595USD for a new Apogee Duet 2 USB audio interface. 

The new unit arrived two days ago, and I couldn't be happier!  True, Pianoteq sounds about the same as it did with the old Duet and with the MacPro's line out audio fed into my AKG 702 headphones.  However, I do NOT regret paying the high price for the new Duet 2 in terms of sound for my overall audio needs.

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So, the short answer is this:  If you are not terribly particular about the sound and/or do not have the high-end studio-grade electronics and monitors to hear the difference, you will most likely NOT hear a difference taking the audio line-out signal from your computer.  The converse is also true, but only if you have a system whose resolution is high enough to make use of the audio interface.

Hope this helps.  (Don't sweat the small details.)

Cheers,

Joe

EDIT:  Could I have gotten away with a less costly audio interface?  Probably yes.  But the Duet 2 also contains a pair of microphone pre's with 48V phantom power, with +75dB worth of gain and very, very low noise.  In reality, it's the latter that made me spring for the extra money, because there is more to the world than just Pianoteq!
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Last edited by jcfelice88keys (10-06-2018 18:00)

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

Headphone Audio-technica ATH-M50x has an impedance of 38 ohms. [1]

Headphone-output-impedance of PreSonus AudioBox iOne is 10 ohms. [2]

What is the headphone-output-impedance of some "MacBook Pro"? The Tech Specs at their site seem to be not very professional ... [3] 

[1] https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/head...9488ddd6b1
[2] https://www.presonus.com/products/Audio...tech-specs
[3] https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

Well I actually have a pair of JBL LSR 308 but even with those Pianoteq played through the Presonus Box vs studio monitors directly plugged into my Macbook with a Stereo breakout cable sounds the same... I cannot hear a real difference (except the one I want to believe is cleaner with the box :-O)
I assume those monitors are just entry level and not made to hear a difference between Macbook built-in vs audio interface ....

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

Hi lovelovemale,
My experiences. I think that audio interface is necessary when you want to record external sources (instruments or voice). If you are satisfied with Mac sound card, using headphones playing Ptq, stick with it. It is probably a high spec computer (I am glad using Mac mini late 2014, no one has complained about my Ptq sound). If it can help you, I say ( based on your own comment ”It is almost not noticeable”), be glad and listen to your Ptq-music, not equipment.
Well, that’s what I think about it.

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

Hello to Messrs. PianoteqEnthusiast and lovelovemale,

It's so refreshing to read honest discussions in this forum instead of some of the garbage (overstated claims and horrible name calling) that one might read in other forums.  Glad to keep the subject matter and our listening experiences "real" instead of flaming remarks.

My two cents' worth.

Cheers,

Joe

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

My MacBook Pros have good sounding DACs and headphone amps.

The Presonus is an entry-level box so is not going to have components that are miles better than those of your Apple. The Presonus may have slightly different "tuning" and specs so sounds slightly different. The Presonus may have some additional features you may find useful.

If you see virtually no difference, I would go for the simpler solution so playing is not a chore.

Those JBL monitors are quite good.

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

@jcfelice88keys  ”It's so refreshing to read honest discussions in this forum…..” 

Thank you so much for your kind words, and all your inspiring forum comments and included great details.

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

My input to the external audio interface was aimed at improving the delay and supporting high-OM headphones.
(Oh yeah .. and phantom power at the entrance ..)

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

groovy wrote:

Headphone Audio-technica ATH-M50x has an impedance of 38 ohms. [1]

Headphone-output-impedance of PreSonus AudioBox iOne is 10 ohms. [2]

What is the headphone-output-impedance of some "MacBook Pro"? The Tech Specs at their site seem to be not very professional ... [3] 

[1] https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/head...9488ddd6b1
[2] https://www.presonus.com/products/Audio...tech-specs
[3] https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

Hi, impedance of headphones should be at least 8 times of the output impedance of the audio interface. So 38 ohms is suboptimal.

Re: Audio Interface vs MacBook Pro built-in sound on Headphones

Snert wrote:
groovy wrote:

Headphone Audio-technica ATH-M50x has an impedance of 38 ohms. [1]

Headphone-output-impedance of PreSonus AudioBox iOne is 10 ohms. [2]

What is the headphone-output-impedance of some "MacBook Pro"? The Tech Specs at their site seem to be not very professional ... [3] 

[1] https://www.audio-technica.com/cms/head...9488ddd6b1
[2] https://www.presonus.com/products/Audio...tech-specs
[3] https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/specs/

Hi, impedance of headphones should be at least 8 times of the output impedance of the audio interface. So 38 ohms is suboptimal.

Yes, and that's why impedance is an important tech spec.