Topic: Recorded MIDI Files

So perhaps I've overlooking something obvious, but where are recorded MIDI files saved when MIDI archiving is turned off? Or are they saved...?

I have disabled "MIDI Archiving" as I don't need to hang onto anything unless I actually record it. But it seems like anything I do record vanishes unless I actually save it before recording something else (or restarting Pianoteq). I would love for Pianoteq to automatically save anything that is recorded (with a date/timestamp). What might be even better would be if when you set Pianoteq to archive everything you play -- say for a week -- it would permanently retain everything you "recorded" while non-recordings were discarded after a week.

While on the subject, it would be fantastic if Pianoteq had the ability to save preset info along with saved MIDI recordings, even if it meant separate info files. But I know that's a more complex request.

Many thanks,

Re: Recorded MIDI Files

If you disable archiving, then nothing gets recorded until you press Record.

Hard work and guts!

Re: Recorded MIDI Files

Hi NathanShirley,

it might be a nice idea to have 2 separate destination folders for midi, one via auto-record, and one for our saved recordings via the stop button maybe or a new optional blue or green 'save' button to send the last played take to your folder of choice.

In the absence of that, I'm doing some things like the following, in case it's useful to yourself or others scratching their head about similar things:

When not using the auto-record-all-to-midi feature, then implicitly we might fairly logically be better off to explicitly save a file after we record it (esp. if we record many different projects and want these kinds of recordings to be saved in many places) - probably many other reasons, plus Pianoteq might keep recording for a billion years ;0) if we forget to hit the stop button.

I think of having auto-recording set to off, like this:

If I click "record" on anything, I kind of expect to then need to press "stop" and name a file/track/folder etc. as normal operating proc.

So that works for me in practice - because when I set Pianoteq to not record everything, I really don't want that setting to have too much in the way of even further implications/complexity than auto-record.

Unless clicking stop saves to a selectable different destination than the auto saves maybe.

It might have to be able to read my mind to know how long to record and where to put files unless I manage closely, or just set and forget them with auto-record set to on - but Piatnoeq's midi recording is still highly flexible as it is..

Let's say that you just want to record for any arbitrary short period without having to concern yourself over file names.

Then for just that time, re-enable automatic midi recording.

That way you can make any number of approaches to a piece, without having to stop/start or save out a specific file for each take (or any number of other reasons) at that time.

Just play and know your takes are sent as midi to a designated place.

Then turn off auto-record when done. It's pretty effort free and does more or less what I want.

You can set these midi files to be saved anywhere you find convenient by:

1.
Placing your mouse over the player's title bar "blues demo" - click

2.
At bottom of the menu, choose "Midi Archiving Settings..."

3.
Choose the "Browse" button to choose your output folder.

Other related settings are there, such as for basic clean-up.

Also here you can of course, set Pianoteq to archive your midi files from 1 hour, up to 1 billion years - which I think is rather generous.

Anyway, hope that helps you and anyone thinking about this.

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: Recorded MIDI Files

Qexl: Yes, a feature to auto-save to a seperate folder when you stop a recording would be great. Even better than a timestamp file name would be an auto-generated number, say PT00001, just like with most cameras or audio recorders. I think this idea of yours, with an auto generated filename would be ideal actually... even better if it also somehow gave preset info. I know, the preset name could simply be added into the file name (so PT00001_Grotrian Player.mid).

I find it hard to break the habit of assuming that when I record a few things, they'll automatically be saved. Most programs prompt you to 'save' or 'discard' a recording when you press 'stop.' I do like the fact that Pianoteq will auto-save everything you play (recorded or not) if you want it to. I just personally only need "recordings" saved most of the time.

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Actually really liking the idea of custom naming conventions too!

Devil's advocate: Batch renaming could be done outside Pianoteq.

Very warm towards having settings saved with the midi files - having found this kind of thing so useful with "non destructive RAW photo processing" - it would make sense if Pianoteq did do something like it.

Eg. there are RAW image file processors which create a side-car data file in XML format incl. the settings (eg. if you made a colour image into B&W, the XML file would hold that info - rather than the program changing the original at all).

This obviously can also create soft lock-in, ahem, product loyalty (Adjusts neck tie) because users will open the RAW file in only that program.  There's no point starting from scratch processing the RAWs again in another program, if you have all the info in the side-car file, zero user attention required, it's just seamless.

If we can play our recorded session midi files back with the saved sound settings with a click, it would be very handy for sure.  How awfully some midi can play back with the wrong piano model!  Different volumes and velocities being maybe the most obviously affected thing - expecting a lullaby and getting Valkyries instead

Pianoteq Studio Bundle (Pro plus all instruments)  - Kawai MP11 digital piano - Yamaha HS8 monitors

Re: Recorded MIDI Files

NathanShirley wrote:

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While on the subject, it would be fantastic if Pianoteq had the ability to save preset info along with saved MIDI recordings, even if it meant separate info files. But I know that's a more complex request.

Many thanks,

Hello Nathan,

Are you aware that if you use Pianoteq as a virtual instrument in a commercial DAW such as Digital Performer (Windows or Mac) or Apple Logic Pro X (Mac only), that your Pianoteq modifications ARE SAVED when you save the project?

Just for fun, I opened different files in these DAWs:  One file was set to the Grotrian and another was set to retrieve Steinway D.  For the sake of this experiment, I changed the Diapason Tuning from 440 to A=441Hz, saved each file, exited each program and then re-opened each DAW.  Much to my delight (and hopefully yours, as well), Pianoteq's changes were stored with their parent DAW files.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joe

Re: Recorded MIDI Files

You may have a look at those not-so-old threads :

embed preset
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=5615

silence lenght
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=5504

I set the file retention period to "a billion years."
MIDI files are stored in folders (one per month), clearly identified by date, time, number of played notes, so I could even retrieve improvisations that were years old. (I've never used it before but MIDI files aren't bulky so why not keep everything ? ...)
Sometimes I'd just missing a button to undo the last record.

Re: Recorded MIDI Files

Thanks for the responses everyone, let me just clarify a bit...

I do understand how Pianoteq handles MIDI files/recordings, etc (at least I'm now 99% sure!). I also understand that there are workarounds: batch renaming, using a DAW to save each recording as a project file, etc. I'm just being a bit lazy and feel Pianoteq is so close to working perfectly in this regard, making everything so seamless.

Think of it this way: if recordings aren't automatically saved independently from everything else that one happens to play in Pianoteq, then what is the purpose of having a record button at all?

I realize I can turn on MIDI Archiving and have it save all my recordings for a billion years, but then there will be a massive number of "junk" MIDI files which are all mixed in with the recorded MIDI files -- they aren't even differentiated by file name.

I originally also thought of how RAW images are stored in cameras (some have separate info files, others include it in the proprietary raw file itself). That of course would be nice, but I would be just as happy with the preset name incorporated into the file name, as mentioned above. I think that would be much easier to implement, and if we really want a modified preset attached to a MIDI file, we should probably save the preset anyway first.

So yes, in my mind it would be ideal if when you stopped a recording the resulting MIDI file would be automatically saved into a dedicated "recordings" folder with a file name like "PT00001_Grotrian Player.mid" -- that would be fantastic.