Topic: Roland FP-30: best budget piano controller of 2016?

Roland FP-30: This may well be the new best buy of under-$1k MIDI piano controllers.

The PHA-4 Standard action easily beats Yamaha's GHS, Casio's PX, Kawai's whatever (ES100), as well as Korg and Fatar near this price range. About time, Roland!

Last edited by SteveLy (13-02-2016 04:38)
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AZPianoNews has reviewed the board and recommended it:  http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2016/01...eview.html

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Looks like a great controller with a nice sound of its own.

Pianoteq 8 Pro Studio with Classical Guitar and Organteq 2

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SteveLy wrote:

The PHA-4 Standard action easily beats Yamaha's GHS, Casio's PX, Kawai's whatever (ES100), as well as Korg and Fatar near this price range. About time, Roland!

Hm, as for me, I was not impressed by PHA-4. In my opinion it's not better then Yamaha GH3 (though better then GHS) or Casio PX. There is something artificial in its key feel...

Last edited by Kridlatec (14-02-2016 11:40)
Pianoteq 6 Pro (D4, K2, Blüthner, Model B, Grotrian, Ant.Petrof)
Studiologic SL88Grand, Steinberg UR22mkII

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Kridlatec wrote:

Hm, as for me, I was not impressed by PHA-4. In my opinion it's not better then Yamaha GH3 (though better then GHS) or Casio PX. There is something artificial in its key feel...

GH3 KBs are way more expensive though. If you're right about the PX series I would not complain because I got a PX-160 only a couple of months ago. Something artificial about that too, but I take that as a given with all these hollow plastic key actions. The PX is way better than the GHS for sure or even the GH. But some people still prefer the budget (GHS) Yamahas to the PX series - and fair enough: can't argue with personal preferences.

The FP-30 is yet to hit the shops here in Melbourne; it's probably going to be a couple of months before any are on display - maybe longer; all the major retailers will want to offload their older models first, the F-20 especially. And they all have more F-20s than anything else because it's the cheapie that most first time buyers gravitate towards as the bare board scrapes in just under the psychological $AU1000 barrier.

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Studiologic has two recent controller keyboards with software programmable velocity response for each key - SL88 Grand and SL88 Studio. Yet another interesting alternative.

Last edited by hyper.real (14-02-2016 18:24)

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Fatar action for the Studiologic board, per this YT video:

https://youtu.be/4G_XR6z4l0U

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I see it is capable of continuous pedals detection but the way it's implemented is not clear to me. http://cdns3.gear4music.com/media/16/16...review.jpg Is it only about a native Roland stand with pedals?

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AKM wrote:

I see it is capable of continuous pedals detection but the way it's implemented is not clear to me. http://cdns3.gear4music.com/media/16/16...review.jpg Is it only about a native Roland stand with pedals?

Somewhere in the specs I read, a pedal Roland DP-10 is recommended. It has an analog pot and a plug, that fits into "PEDAL 1".

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2 or 3 sensors per key?

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3, mentions it on the website.

http://www.studiologic-music.com/sl88-features.html

Hard work and guts!

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EvilDragon wrote:

3, mentions it on the website.

http://www.studiologic-music.com/sl88-features.html

Sorry, it was about Roland FP-30.

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Don't know about the FP-30 but the whole triple-sensor thing is a band-aid solution for design flaws in most DPs. After all, the acoustic piano only has one sensor per key (per hammer to be precise): the string. So really that's what DPs should have: a pressure sensor at the hammer strike point. But I appreciate that pressure sensors are a lot more expensive than simple on/off switch type sensors, so all is fair.

As far as I've read, despite its 3 sensors the SL88 still only senses the key movement and has no sensors for the hammer. So you have to have the key move almost all the way to the end of its travel to trigger a note.

OTOH the Casio PX seems to have 2 key + 1 hammer sensors. You'll find illustrations online depicting this as well as a different mechanism that only senses the key; one wonders how accurate those illustrations are. Nevertheless, I've tested the hammer sensing on my PX-160 by placing a hard stop at about 2mm under the key (the protruding lip). When I strike the key with enough force, the hammer does fly off and trigger MIDI output even though the key moves no more than 2mm. So I am fairly convinced they've done this right and the hammer strike is being sensed. This is something you might like to try before you buy a new instrument.

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@SteveLy
I see what you mean. But speaking about the ideal solutions I guess the most ideal from my point of view is just to have full range continuous movement monitoring of the keys, not just 2-3 sensors but kind of at least 127 per key. So depending of the speed and position of the key a smart software could emulate all possible further mechanic/acoustic behaviours.

Last edited by AKM (16-02-2016 07:57)