Topic: Netbooks and pianoteq

Anyone use a netbook for pianoteq? I asked some Linux guys and they thought that a netbook's CPU wouldn't be up to the job. I've got a netbook and laptop, but as I keep the laptop downstairs as my main PC and the netbook upstairs where my Casio Privia piano is I'd rather use the netbook.

Last edited by EdwardianPiano (30-12-2014 18:37)

Re: Netbooks and pianoteq

I think from the discussion I've read so far, the general rule for Pianoteq CPU's is a Passmark of 2000 or higher, although lots of people have been satisfied with CPU's with a lower Passmark using reduced polyphony and sample rates.

So to answer your question: Look up the processor in your netbook and try to find its Passmark score. (CPUBoss.com usually has the Passmark score listed in the CPU specs)

Or, just give it a shot. If the sound skips, turn down the polyphony and sample rates until it stops. If it never stops skipping, or the latency gets to be too bad, then your answer is no.

Re: Netbooks and pianoteq

have a look here for your CPU performances:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Re: Netbooks and pianoteq

EdwardianPiano wrote:

Anyone use a netbook for pianoteq? I asked some Linux guys and they thought that a netbook's CPU wouldn't be up to the job. I've got a netbook and laptop, but as I keep the laptop downstairs as my main PC and the netbook upstairs where my Casio Privia piano is I'd rather use the netbook.

Linux with low latency kernel on almost ANYTHING will perform a lot better than on windoze.
Unless they actually KEEP this promise with win10 this time - doubtful.

Re: Netbooks and pianoteq

aandrmusic wrote:

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Linux with low latency kernel on almost ANYTHING will perform a lot better than on windoze.
Unless they actually KEEP this promise with win10 this time - doubtful.

I would think that Linux without a full graphical desktop (maybe headless/VNC/Xfce?) would perform a lot better than windoze, regardless of the kernel.

From the Ubuntu docs:

  1. If you do not require low latency for your system then please use the -generic kernel.

  2. If you need a low latency system (e.g. for recording audio) then please use the -preempt kernel as a first choice. This reduces latency but doesn't sacrifice power saving features. It is available only for 64 bit systems (also called amd64).

  3. If the -preempt kernel does not provide enough low latency for your needs (or you have an 32 bit system) then you should try the -lowlatency kernel.

  4. If the -lowlatency kernel isn't enough then you should try the -rt kernel

  5. If the -rt kernel isn't enough stable for you then you should try the -realtime kernel

How this relates to observable differences in Pianoteq performance, I'm not sure, but it might make the difference between usable and not usable for a low-horsepower system.

Re: Netbooks and pianoteq

Thanks for all the messages guys. I'm not that good on hardware stuff. It's a Dell Inspiron Mini with an SSD, but it is small ( got it second hand and someone took the original one out and put a smaller one it seems). I got a new HD to put in it when I have the cash to take it to a PC shop, then I will reload Linux OS on it. I have no idea how to find out its CPU though, but I can ask on the Linux forum. Despite the small SSD it works like lightning and is far far faster than this older laptop I use downstairs! I use this cos of the bigger screen for watching stuff on you tube and for typing etc.

Re: Netbooks and pianoteq

Good morning,
I am just a beginner piano player but I use Pianoteq 5 with a repurposed netbook (Asus EEE 1005 PE, 2 GB Ram); I use an external USB audio interface, a Matrix Audio M-Stage HPA-2.

I use standard lubuntu 14.10 with the latest low-latency kernel (3.18.1) and I have followed linux audio tutorial in order to improve the netbook performance (following it gives you a major improvement, it is key to follows it); in addition I have disabled some processes at startup such as CUP

http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration

please note that I had to adapt the tutorial when it cames to CPU frequency scaling; I didn't compile any kernel

I don't use Jack but alsa, jack is a bit power intensive and decrease netbook performance, I use the netbook just to excercise but a friend, a piano teacher, tried it without any issue
With Blutner addon, sample rate 48.000, audio buffer 128 samples and ALSA I obtain 2.9 ms latency
I set the system to autostart pianoteq at full screen, full screen save some processing power

Re: Netbooks and pianoteq

vinalopo wrote:

Good morning,
I am just a beginner piano player but I use Pianoteq 5 with a repurposed netbook (Asus EEE 1005 PE, 2 GB Ram); I use an external USB audio interface, a Matrix Audio M-Stage HPA-2.

I use standard lubuntu 14.10 with the latest low-latency kernel (3.18.1) and I have followed linux audio tutorial in order to improve the netbook performance (following it gives you a major improvement, it is key to follows it); in addition I have disabled some processes at startup such as CUP

http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/system_configuration

please note that I had to adapt the tutorial when it cames to CPU frequency scaling; I didn't compile any kernel

I don't use Jack but alsa, jack is a bit power intensive and decrease netbook performance, I use the netbook just to excercise but a friend, a piano teacher, tried it without any issue
With Blutner addon, sample rate 48.000, audio buffer 128 samples and ALSA I obtain 2.9 ms latency
I set the system to autostart pianoteq at full screen, full screen save some processing power


Thanks for that.

I was at my brother's flat this afternoon gone, and he has a new Yamaha Clavinova. He is on Mac and uses logic pro. Since he is far far more technical than I, I asked him to try the pianoteq demo ( I'm still getting to grips with it- and he showed me how to set it up- I needed to see someone doing it...) and he tried some of the Kremsegg collection. He was hugely impressed!!

As was I- the Broadwood was simply staggering!!!

I have only heard it via listening to the sound samples on my laptop- but to see and hear it played- my God!!!

I have a Casio Privia PX 100- now comparing his Clavinova to my DP, I could honestly say that my Privia's action is as good, and the Clavinova's piano sounds were no better- the only difference is the louder speakers, that I could tell ( which I can easily achieve by buying external speakers one day, but for now, in a tiny bedroom the Privia's speakers are fine).

But the pianoteq sounds are far far superior to the sounds on his Clavinova!!

Last edited by EdwardianPiano (01-02-2015 01:26)