Topic: Happy new user :-)

Hi everyone,

I need to post this for some thanks. I have just begun to play the piano. A friend of mine lent me an digital unit that's not top of the line, but definitely good enough for someone with zero level like me.
I quickly felt like checking out what VSTs existed, and discovered this whole world, with its intricacies and dare I say clans.

Being a Linux user, the Pianoteq demo was a godsend : didn't know whether the midi cable would work at all, didn't want to invest without knowing what I'd be getting… After two days with the demo I bought it. Not long afterwards, I got used to much better sounds, and when I tried the Blüthner add-on again then, I just had to lay my hands on it.

Fast forward three months, now ; I have been owning a VPC1 for three days. That thing is just fabulous. The fact that I can have that feeling + that control + that sound with the combination of Pianoteq and the Kawai, and that this can be achieved so effortlessly on my Archlinux distro is mind boggling.

For the record, since I couldn't find many info on the VPC1 + Pianoteq on Linux, let the Internet wonderworld know that it works like a charm. No problem with the midi-over-usb thing, it was recognized instantly.

Let me mention here that I earn normal wages, and that these purchases do come with eating more pasta and less meat. But what do I care, when it means so much goodness ?
Pianoteq stage + Blüthner + VPC1 cost me all in all €1474. In itself it's a lot, but in terms of bang for the buck it's just preposterously good.
In this day and age, we want to limit consumption, and buy things that last. I have been meaning to dedicate time and money to the piano for two years. Several times I could have shelled out some cash for ok-stuff, but I knew that I'd be hungry for more at some point. I love it when I can buy something and know that no matter what they make afterwards, no matter the improvements, my rig will still fulfill me.

I live in a small place (about 20 m²), and I CAN have this fabulous instrument (VPC + PTQ Blüthner) at home.

You read everywhere that you need something good to play the piano. I agree : the action of this keyboard coupled with the response of this software just makes for such control. Control is what we need for expression and emotions.
I am a guitar player, so I sort of know that the capability of an instrument to easily respond to nuance is a big deal. I don't care if they put out a VPC2 with grand feel action and/or a fully flat top : this feels better than everything else I've tried and I simply FEEL that the man is the limit here, not the instrument ; for the record the top surface is definitely flat enough  for my laptop and my yamaha THR10C to stand safely on it. I've got everything I could wish for.

I started out stating some thanks were in order, here goes :
1/ Kawai and Pianoteq engineers, obviously. Being French, there's a tad bit of pride added to the package that I don't mind :-)
2/ The people who build the VPC1. It is made in Indonesia (that info is hard to find), and I'm not proud of the fact that I bought new yet another product made by people with worse wages and living conditions than where I live for my enjoyment. I usually try to buy stuff used or made by well-treated people, but when it comes to piano playing, short of getting a European made acoustic piano I unfortunately did not have many options. I believe our global system is sick, but in all this greyness music just means too much for me not to have given in. Apologies for how the system works, dear Indonesian workers, thank you for your work and kudos for the quality of the workmanship.
3/ Kawai James, Pianoman Chuck, and pretty much everyone on this here forum. A special mention to Sigasa and Kridlatec. Sigasa, your report of the VPC1 was important in my choice. Kridlatec, your praise of the Blüthner whilst being in the know of much pricier piano VSTs definitely weighed in in my taking the leap. I think that in the long run I still may feel the itch to try out some sampled VSTs (IS Fazioli, Vienna Imperial, Ravenscroft all sound damn good to me), but your experience helps the GAS of a newbie to subside. I know that at least when it comes to control it probably can't get any better than PTQ.

I will probably won't come to post much here, I don't think I've got much else to say. I have decent ears, but I'm a total piano noob. I'm just a very, very glad piano noob who's done his pre-purchase homework well I think, now let's just… Face the music.
I feel the same for PCs : took me a while to know enough about them so that I could pick the right machine and learn to use the right Linux distro for me, and now I can just peacefully get the job done. Same for the piano now : I can just enjoy.

Thanks everyone, enjoy playing and listening whatever music you like :-)

Last edited by corny (02-12-2014 13:05)

Re: Happy new user :-)

nice post, corny...

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corny wrote:

Hi everyone,
...
A special mention to Sigasa and Kridlatec. Sigasa, your report of the VPC1 was important in my choice. Kridlatec, your praise of the Blüthner whilst being in the know of much pricier piano VSTs definitely weighed in in my taking the leap. I think that in the long run I still may feel the itch to try out some sampled VSTs (IS Fazioli, Vienna Imperial, Ravenscroft all sound damn good to me), but your experience helps the GAS of a newbie to subside. I know that at least when it comes to control it probably can't get any better than PTQ.

Hello, corny! I am surprised and very glad to hear it!) Your post is realy wonderful! I am sure, your amazement will be good motivation to overcome every obstacle in studying piano!

About digital/sampled pianos. Few notes) My story with them became long ago. To begin with, as many musicians, I was always a big fan of acoustic pianos/grands/uprights. First time I understood the restrictions of digital instrument at my teacher's home. It was Yamaha. His acoustic piano was detuned, and after few attempts to play Marcello's Adagio (we just discussed it), he offered me to play digital. It was my first big disappointment. Unfortunately, sound was inexpressive and there were very poor abilities to intonate melody. Marcello failed)) After this, disapointed, we continued discussion verbally )

Later as piano teacher for myself, I always faced different digital instruments. Rolands, Yamahas, Kurzweils, Casios. And all this "meetings" strengthened my faith in unique and uncopyable properties of acoustic one: it's liveliness, richness and expression. My old casio stayed at balcony, unused for years. All this continued until I got acquainted with Pianoteq 2. Very first impression: it was alive! Wow, this was impossible! It certainly expanded the boundaries of my musical world. I dusted off my casio and played for few days with Pianoteq)) And decided to give few sampled libraries chance.

As for now I played or owned some top software sampled pianos: Ivory (1,2), Vintage D, Fazioli, Session Keys Grand S, Vienna Imperial, Sapletekk Black Grand MKII and etc. and few hybrids. Of course, sampled grands are pretty enough too, periodically there is a wish to play one or another, that you own. Though the only one, which looks for me really great is Vienna Imperial from VSL. They are also good for final recordings (especially for pop/jazz/funk music), but definetely there is no better digital instrument than PT for pianist (real-time playing, improvisations, live sessions) and for one who study piano. May be, only acoustic can afford more - in terms of expression. For me it looks like: sometimes you are fascinated by the sound of this or that sampled grand (and think: "oh it sounds better than PT"), but after all, you always return to Pianoteq. And every time it amazes: how live it is. 

Certainly, Pt Bluthner + VPC1 would be a great basis for your musical growth! Take all the chances, you have, to play sometimes acoustic pianos. This two solutions will help you to be in contact with piano. And of course, later there is always chance to buy sampled Steinway, Fazioli or Bosendorfer!

With best regards!

Last edited by Kridlatec (02-12-2014 17:53)
Pianoteq 6 Pro (D4, K2, Blüthner, Model B, Grotrian, Ant.Petrof)
Studiologic SL88Grand, Steinberg UR22mkII

Re: Happy new user :-)

robsogge wrote:

nice post, corny...

Thanks :-)

Kridlatec wrote:

very glad to hear it!

And I in turn !

Kridlatec wrote:

My old casio stayed at balcony, unused for years.

He he that's some treatment xD

Kridlatec wrote:

Though the only one, which looks for me really great is Vienna Imperial from VSL.

Through the sound we can hear on different sources and the technological description, it does seem the one sampled option most worth one's while, I think. Excellent sound with all layers possible from professionals with excellent technique. The recording tech at Imperfect Samples seems to be a little more… say, informal, what with the company essentially being essentially made up of one bloke, apparently. I read somewhere that his stuff felt less alive under your fingers than more professional productions… I still need to experience the stuff.

Kridlatec wrote:

Of course, sampled grands are pretty enough too, periodically there is a wish to play one or another, that you own. Though the only one, which looks for me really great is Vienna Imperial from VSL. They are also good for final recordings (especially for pop/jazz/funk music), but definetely there is no better digital instrument than PT for pianist (real-time playing, improvisations, live sessions) and for one who study piano. May be, only acoustic can afford more - in terms of expression. For me it looks like: sometimes you are fascinated by the sound of this or that sampled grand (and think: "oh it sounds better than PT"), but after all, you always return to Pianoteq. And every time it amazes: how live it is.

That's exactly what I thought I understood :-)
About the periodical wish to play sample grands, there are very strong incentives like :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiGLkzoYJj0
…That cuts anything I could tell myself against getting this thing. But then I touch my own and feel it's sooo great already :-)

Kridlatec wrote:

Certainly, Pt Bluthner + VPC1 would be a great basis for your musical growth!

That's what I figured, and I'm very glad to get the stamp of approval by someone so versed in all things both ‘just’ piano AND the digital side of it :-)

Kridlatec wrote:

Take all the chances, you have, to play sometimes acoustic pianos.

There's a baby grand in the hall of the hotel where I work, when I am past ultra-beginner level I will SO sit at it !

Kridlatec wrote:

And of course, later there is always chance to buy sampled Steinway, Fazioli or Bosendorfer!

Yep, like I said, I think I'll come down to it at some point. But there's no rush, no necessity to cough up all that cash.
Gosh to play IS Fazioli extreme —what's the point of getting the other versions…— that'll cost Kontakt 5 + Library = ~€600 !! And that's cheaper than before, I've just checked now to be accurate, and for some reason NI are able to put this crazy discount just like that, before it was €400 and now €200, go figure. But even if it weren't that expensive, maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea to get distracted from just playing. I mean, I'm glad that even inside Pianoteq I really, really prefer the Blüthner piano over all the others, cos while you're juggling between options, you're just not playing.

For me the other softs have also the great disadvantage of not running on Linux, and given I really seldom boot my Windows partition I'm always trying my best to keep it that way.

Kridlatec wrote:

With best regards!

Mine too ;-)

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Great post corny!

Thank you for your positive feedback - I'll be sure to pass this on to the folks here in Hamamatsu and in Indonesia.

Cheers,
James
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My mind says Kawai, but my heart says Nord.

Re: Happy new user :-)

Wow that is awesome, thanks !!