http://www.vilabsaudio.com/
So anybody tried? From quite many reviews seems to be the king of the hill among romplers recently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WEsL4Lpmas
No doubt, see how many audiences looking at the real grand piano instead of VI Labs Ravenscroft 275? That's we looking at multiple speakers system on either upright and grand pianos.
Hi AKM,
I have it and I like it but for me doesn't have the same "real" feeling that Piatoteq gives.
It has 4 mic positions and I can select which ones to use simultaneously. When using the 4 positions, it eats a lots of resources bringing my rig (i7-3635QM,12 GBRAM, 1TB SSD, Infrasonic Amon) to his knees...
It uses the free (gratis) UVI workstation as a sampler and although has an iLok protection, it can be installed in software mode (i.e., without a dongle, dongles are a deal breaker for me).
Meanwhile, Pianoteq V5 has been launched and I'm totally hooked on it. Don't get me wrong, the Ravenscroft's sound is beautiful and is fun to play but I always end in playing with the Pianoteq's Blüthner grand piano...
[thumb] Thank you, was very interested to read your reply.
After the release of V5 I sold all my sample libraries. Raven Included
I've tried it.
But a customized Pianoteq 5 D4 Blues with an external DSP has no competitors
I have to say I was tempted by some of the Ravenscroft demos but the limitations of sampling are clearly revealed on the Chopin nocturne on the VI Labs website. The sound doesn't "gel" and the soundboard and sympathetic resonances just aren't complex and rich enough.
I'll probably just stick with Pianoteq, also because modern sampled pianos take up so much disk space and quickly bring even a modern PC to its knees. Pianoteq is such an elegant product. I have Reaper projects with 10 instances of Pianoteq (including marimbas, xylophones etcetera) and and my laptop doesn't break a sweat.
I was at that NAMM and played that very piano and software setup...It sounded darn good....put had no side by side with Pianoteq and outa my quiet home of course. They had another software set up at another location at NAMM as well I it sound pretty darn in headphones...These pianos are made about 20 miles from me...whoda thunk! Cost 1/2 of my house value
And below my friend Larry having at it.
VI Labs had a set up with it
Yes that is me again...sorry
Cool! I heard they resell a customized version of VPC1, kind of AMG for Mercedes. Seems they don't announce it yet on a website but the purpose is to make them identical to their real grands. Know it from this guy: http://youtu.be/BUC0xU7OX54
I was at that NAMM and played that very piano and software setup...It sounded darn good....
From my experience every digital piano sounds great at the exhibitions ))) Thanks to the ambient noises, they help masking all the artifacts. Try playing the piano at home while having a working vacuum cleaner right near you - you'll be amazed how smooth you'll begin to play ))))
Kramster wrote:I was at that NAMM and played that very piano and software setup...It sounded darn good....
From my experience every digital piano sounds great at the exhibitions ))) Thanks to the ambient noises, they help masking all the artifacts. Try playing the piano at home while having a working vacuum cleaner right near you - you'll be amazed how smooth you'll begin to play ))))
Indeed !
Nice pics Kramster.
I love the bottle of hand disinfectant on top of the VPC1.
Nothing worse than sitting down at a piano after someone with 'KFC fingers' has been playing it...
Nice pics Kramster.
I love the bottle of hand disinfectant on top of the VPC1.Nothing worse than sitting down at a piano after someone with 'KFC fingers' has been playing it...
Ha, didn't even notice...good eye
Try playing the piano at home while having a working vacuum cleaner right near you - you'll be amazed how smooth you'll begin to play ))))
Hey, it worked for Glenn Gould!
Hey, it worked for Glenn Gould!
Yeah, I know, I know BTW, can't you be so kind to help me, maybe you also remember, where exactly he says something kind of unusual that piano as an instrument does not have an importance to him, the main goal is music, and the piano is just a kind of random medium to reproduce it - more or less how I remembered it.
, can't you be so kind to help me, maybe you also remember, where exactly he says something kind of unusual that piano as an instrument does not have an importance to him, the main goal is music, and the piano is just a kind of random medium to reproduce it - more or less how I remembered it.
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Gould
The piano, Gould said, "is not an instrument for which I have any great love as such... [but] I have played it all my life, and it is the best vehicle I have to express my ideas."
mabry wrote:Hey, it worked for Glenn Gould!
Yeah, I know, I know BTW, can't you be so kind to help me, maybe you also remember, where exactly he says something kind of unusual that piano as an instrument does not have an importance to him, the main goal is music, and the piano is just a kind of random medium to reproduce it - more or less how I remembered it.
He says that often. I've read variations on this same statement in Bazzana's, Payzant's, and Hafner's biographies. Tim Page's book of essays by Gould also contains a lot of stuff that touches on his indifference to instrumentation. I most of all recommend Payzant's book, which was the first book written about Gould, and arguably the best.
Also see this video, which just plain rocks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Gqbb_...freload=10
Tureck was a huge influence on Gould, both in terms of her paying of Bach and her philosophy of music in general. Gould once cited her as an influence, but I still don't think she's ever received the recognition she deserves...
Thank you guys for the references.
I've had the Ravenscroft about a week now. My set up produces a huge dynamic range. I use a VPC1 and a custom curve (0, 48, 116, 127; 0, 11, 127, 127) otherwise expressed as;
0, 0
48, 11
116, 127
127, 127
I am very happy with it. Also I have adjusted the capstans to cause the front of the key to reach it's felt stop at the same time as the hammer reaches it's (felt stop). It makes for s much nicer playing experience and avoids the spongey touch where the key fronts don't quite reach their stop. I guess the VPC1 would cost more if it was as precisely regulated as I prefer.
I hope to post some demos.
Kindest Regards,
Chris
https://www.dropbox.com/s/sqz5d94ggy875...1.wav?dl=0
The above links to a recorded demo of the Ravenscroft. The recording isn't brilliant but it may give some idea.
Kindest Regards,
Chris
It uses the free (gratis) UVI workstation as a sampler and although has an iLok protection, it can be installed in software mode (i.e., without a dongle, dongles are a deal breaker for me.
I think storing the iLok license on the computer would not be safty... In case the computer get out of order. An iLok dongle is a simplier piece of hardware and can get back to iLok in case of trouble.
Anyway, the licence system of Pianoteq seams me to best of the 3 (Pianoteq system, iLok with dongle, iLok without dongle).