Topic: Computer speakers

Hello again,
I'm back with another question as my quick search didn't seem to net me any results. I'm planning on setting up Pianoteq with a new PX-150 soon and would like some advice as to what speakers to use. As I don't currently have any computer speakers at all (except my monitors laughable ones) the plan is to get some speakers that would suit both Pianoteq and general listening as well. I don't plan on spending much, around $100. I don't need a super accurate sound or anything as I don't plan on doing any mixing so was just looking for advice on generally good speakers. Thanks

Last edited by Valhalun (15-11-2014 04:09)

Re: Computer speakers

Hi,

I use Microlab SOLO-2 for ages, very happy about the price and... they just play ok. For that price especially. About 100 euro, maybe slightly more. I don't see that model currently on their website, though we have it in local shops here in Russia. Not sure that brand available in your country. You may want to check such cheap speakers brands like Sven, Edifier or maybe even Logitech though the later take more for the brand logo. I'm playing Casio PX-150 + Pianoteq with Microlab SOLO-2 and they are ok for me, though they suffer reproducing Fortissimo for my taste. I like the huge dynamic range settings in Pianoteq, so I set the speakers volume to maximum, the soundcard volume to absolutely maximum and Pianoteq internal slider at about -10 - -6 dB which give me a more or less "real" feel.

Re: Computer speakers

This may not be what you want to hear, and it's very subjective:

I don't think you can buy "generally good speakers" for $100.  Headphones, yes -- Sennheiser HD280, AKG K240, Sony MDR-7506.

I own a pair of Behringer MS40 monitor speakers, and didn't like them for piano.  You might find them OK, and I think they're almost within your budget. 

Someone gave a good general rule in an old post:

. . . No subwoofer -- 8" or larger woofers.

. . . With subwoofer -- 5" or larger woofers.

.      Charles

PS -- I use an ElectroVoice ZXA1, and that _is_ big enough.  But outside your price range.

Re: Computer speakers

Playing software piano is somewhat different from being a sound engineer or a techno producer. If even the keyboard built-in speakers are quite able to suit their purpose then a $100 computer speakers could be considered as a very noticeable upgrade. Although, obviously, good speakers are a good speakers and the better you can get the more lucky you are.

Last edited by AKM (15-11-2014 09:55)

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The enemy of good is perfect.  I personally use some random $50 computer speakers (w/ subwoofers) -- original used for music/movies/games.  I'm sure there's a wide range that can be better but compared to the starting point (DP's internal speakers), it's closer to the top end than the DP speaker end.

Re: Computer speakers

Mossy wrote:

The enemy of good is perfect.

True. But assuming the typical run-of-the-mill digital piano speakers to be 'good' is already a stretch. Apart from that, a software instrument like Pianoteq is not optimised for a specific speaker setup, and the lower you aim in speakers, the more tweaking you will have to do to even get a usable result.

That said, it should be possible to use Pianoteq with just about any speaker setup, even ultra-cheap PC speakers. You will have to play with the equaliser quite a bit, and you will probably have to compress the dynamics range a lot, and the result will leave a lot to be desired. But it should 'work', of course. But in my experience, skimping on something as crucial as speakers just doesn't pay.

Last edited by kalessin (15-11-2014 10:57)
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Re: Computer speakers

After looking around at amazon and such, I have to say their computer speakers look very disappointing. Even near to of the line models are nothing but a cheap sub and a couple 1" satellites. So, now I'm thinking that maybe it would be a better idea to just get some bookshelf speakers or something of the like. Honestly, I really don't care that much what they are add long as they sound good and can be hooked up without a huge hassle.

Last edited by Valhalun (15-11-2014 15:10)

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I was also looking at bookshelf speakers initially (also with a small budget). But for $100 your options are limited, unless you buy used.

So I just went with the Logitech z623 (2.1 Computer speakers) for a low price of $109 on Amazon. They work, they're loud, plus I won't need to buy all the accessories for passive speakers.

One thing that bothers me is that there's a slight buzzing when I play too loud (about 4/7 of the maximum volume knob). But I guess I'm not even supposed to play that loud anyway.

You've probably looked at them, but just in case: http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-980-0004...6077860608

Last edited by Khoa (15-11-2014 20:08)

Re: Computer speakers

Valhalun wrote:

Hello again,
I'm back with another question as my quick search didn't seem to net me any results. I'm planning on setting up Pianoteq with a new PX-150 soon and would like some advice as to what speakers to use. As I don't currently have any computer speakers at all (except my monitors laughable ones) the plan is to get some speakers that would suit both Pianoteq and general listening as well. I don't plan on spending much, around $100. I don't need a super accurate sound or anything as I don't plan on doing any mixing so was just looking for advice on generally good speakers. Thanks

I think Bose has a small set that are rather good, but I'm not sure they are close to your prise range.
http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/sho.../index.jsp

As an aside I hooked may Casio PX-130 to a pair of 15" JBL studio monitors and I thought it sounded worse than the built in speakers.  A lot of times the amp has to be well matched to the speakers.  I was using a Sony stereo amp piping the sound from the 130's ear phone jack.  As stated previously the end result was rather poor.

Last edited by GRB (16-11-2014 17:34)
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Regarding the JBL + Sony amp setup, iIt's a simple equation actually: big woofers (15") do need big amps. More importantly, they need amps with a big damping factor, in order to control the woofer's excursion. It's as simple as that. Otherwise you'lll get a distorted low range and a "muddy" sound. I don't know what model of JBL you have but most of them are known to be very sensitive to this damping factor.

Re: Computer speakers

Luc Henrion wrote:

Regarding the JBL + Sony amp setup, iIt's a simple equation actually: big woofers (15") do need big amps. More importantly, they need amps with a big damping factor, in order to control the woofer's excursion. It's as simple as that. Otherwise you'lll get a distorted low range and a "muddy" sound. I don't know what model of JBL you have but most of them are known to be very sensitive to this damping factor.

The same setup improved a heavy weight original selling price $5000.00 Clavinova, but did nothing for the much lower priced Casio.   I think it's some issue related to the output of the earphone jack to the Sony amp.  This sound system is very good when used with something like a CD player or the built in FM radio.  The JBL's a very pure in my opinion, nauturall being 15" they capable of powerful base.  I really don't know what a "damping factor" is.  I believe the output of a Caso 130 isn't that good in the first place, and the JBL's just add clarity to the reality.

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Re: Computer speakers

Valhalun wrote:

Hello again,
I'm back with another question as my quick search didn't seem to net me any results. I'm planning on setting up Pianoteq with a new PX-150 soon and would like some advice as to what speakers to use. As I don't currently have any computer speakers at all (except my monitors laughable ones) the plan is to get some speakers that would suit both Pianoteq and general listening as well. I don't plan on spending much, around $100. I don't need a super accurate sound or anything as I don't plan on doing any mixing so was just looking for advice on generally good speakers. Thanks

Well, the only advice I can give you is: Go into the stores and check out everything around 100$.

Bose Companion 20 are my favourite 2.0 speakers for their size. But they're around 249$. Maybe you'll be fine with the Companion 2 which are around 100$.

Keep in mind that cheap stuff is often bought twice !

EDIT: Also check out entry level studio monitors. I add that because you'll find them in music stores and rather not in stores where you find Bose stuff and other computer speakers.

Last edited by Modellingoptimist (17-11-2014 15:31)
formerly known as Notyetconvinced

Re: Computer speakers

When I was looking at this question a year ago, I ran into the Logitech Z-2300 computer speakers.    They have a very enthusiastic cult following.

They have an 8" subwoofer, and two outboard satellites with 2.5" tweeters.  Claimed power is 2x40 watts for the tweeters, 120 watts for the subwoofer.

They're out of production.  But they show up "used" on eBay, and other places.

You're going to have to do some listening, and use your own ears to decide what's "good enough".   I agree with a previous post -- you'll do better in music stores, than in "consumer electronics" stores.

.        Charles

Re: Computer speakers

I would suggest buying from a store that has a good return policy as you are going to need to try them on your own system, not just listen to them at the store.

Pianoteq Pro 7.x - Kubuntu Linux 19.10 - Plasma Desktop - Hamburg Steinway

Re: Computer speakers

After doing some looking around, I found a nice set of bookshelf speakers that are reasonably within price-range. They are the Yamaha NS-6490. With 8" woofers, 4" cone, and 7/8" tweeters they seem like excellent all-around speakers for only $120. Just a few questions then, since I am rather inexperienced in the speaker area, are they any shortcomings or problems with these that I am not aware of and also it would be nice to know what all I will need to hook these up to both a keyboard (1/4") and computer (1/8"). I'm pretty sure I would need an amp, any suggestions?