Topic: Feature or issue? (on OS X 10.10 Yosemite)

Hi everyone,

I'm running PT 5.1.1 under OS X Yosemite and I noticed a somewhat unpleasant "after-resonance" in the high to mid range (D4, same for K2, less prominent in Blüthner).

I first thought it was related to PT. But I have just found a way to record this effect in a MIDI file and when I play this file through Garage Band using the built-in virtual piano I observe the same effect.

Now I do not know whether this is a bug or a feature of whichever part in the audio chain, but it does not sound quite right to my ears.

I'd like to upload the MIDI file but I don't know how to do this.

Has maybe anybody else noticed such a resonance?

Cheers

rookie

Re: Feature or issue? (on OS X 10.10 Yosemite)

Post the .MID file to Other Files (if < the allowed size, 10 KB?). Other Files is in this Forum's own menustrip (see above), and at the bottom of all the posted MP3s on 1st page is a single lonely .MID file, so that's where they go, doubt not. As for Yosemite, it's so new bugs are bound to appear.

Re: Feature or issue? (on OS X 10.10 Yosemite)

custral wrote:

Post the .MID file to Other Files (if < the allowed size, 10 KB?). Other Files is in this Forum's own menustrip (see above), and at the bottom of all the posted MP3s on 1st page is a single lonely .MID file, so that's where they go, doubt not. As for Yosemite, it's so new bugs are bound to appear.

Thanks for the instructions! Actually the PT support had the answer, pointing out that this effect is not a bug but due to the fact that there are no dampers in the treble range.

Re: Feature or issue? (on OS X 10.10 Yosemite)

My other question would have been whether this effect had actually started with Yosemite. So it seems PTQ 5.1 on Yosemite is your first Pianoteq version at all, which would have been a valuable info as well. It is usually a good advice not to start with a foregone conclusion (i.e., "problem is OS-related"). Such a conclusion is only warranted if there is reason for it (i.e., worked before and now it doesn't).

To your question: if the 'missing' treble dampers startled you, I guess you never played either on a real acoustic piano or on a decent electronic instrument. I feel I should mention there are several resonance effects modelled by Pianoteq that might sound like a 'defect' if one is completely new to piano playing.

For example, if you play a note alone, only its damper is lifted. If you push the pedal, all dampers are lifted, which makes the same note's sound distinctly different, since all the strings resonate slightly. Then there's sympathetic string resonance: if you push a key 'silently' and play notes that are e.g. a forth, a fifth or an octave above, you will hear a slight noise coming from the virtual 'strings' of the silent note that vanishes only after you release that key.

These are all effects that a real piano produces and they are part of the reason especially sampled software pianos (used to) sound rather 'sterile' to the experienced ear.

Last edited by kalessin (26-10-2014 14:44)
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