Topic: D4 vs. Klavins 370 L-mode audibility

From this topic, here are the samples I promised.

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?fi...9705274330

The D4 is at the same case length (sans extra notes) as the 370 for an equal comparison.
Notice that the L-mode of MIDI #23 is nearly inaudible in the D4, while the 370 has a prominent minor 28th at the same note, at a lower velocity as well. MIDI #29 was recorded at the same velocity for both instruments, since the L-mode at that note only becomes prominent near 127 for the 370.

The L-mode volume is set as a function of string length, "decaying" (lowering the base volume) as the length is increased. At present I find this behavior unrealistic for string lengths greater than 3.20m, and the attack in the copper strings greatly suffers due to this. The bass bridge is the main focus of this comparison, since the plain wire doesn't suffer from those problems.

Re: D4 vs. Klavins 370 L-mode audibility

Well, couldn't it be that the difference results from the different design of both pianos? Not that we compare apples with pears.

BTW: How about the Klavins 370, Philippe ?

formerly known as Notyetconvinced

Re: D4 vs. Klavins 370 L-mode audibility

I'm afraid that would be a little difficult if such an instrument had already been sampled, since there's the issue of sampling rights (they have already been sold for the 450i, whose completion date is indeterminate due to focusing on the Una Corda). I don't know if the maker allows a resampling of his 370 in the case of the sampling rights already being sold, so it remains to be seen if such an opportunity can appear again.


Even if he allows Modartt to sample the 370 for analysis and recreation, there's the issue of the instrument's "excellence", or fitness to be a strong candidate for selection, particularly in the bass bridge. I've capped the sustain envelopes of two problem notes - MIDI #21 and MIDI #26, and, to put it kindly, no brickwall compression can save the sustain without making the notes sound 'weird' or pump like no tomorrow. As much as I'd like for it to be re-recorded and turned into a virtual piano model (I've been dreaming of extra-long pianos in Pianoteq for a couple of years now), that issue still remains. Do you e.g. alter the sustain envelopes of problem notes to make it sound 'plausible', or do you keep it as authentic to the original as possible, warts and all?


I would like Philippe or Modartt et. al to comment on this as well.

Last edited by lowendtheory (17-09-2014 04:35)

Re: D4 vs. Klavins 370 L-mode audibility

A collaboration would be great! Uli Baronowsky is one of the best sampling engineers I know. If I were him I'd definitely say yes to such an offer from Modartt, since there won't be too many sampling engineers needed in a few years…

formerly known as Notyetconvinced

Re: D4 vs. Klavins 370 L-mode audibility

Lowendtheory--Could you upload the recordings to the main site or to soundcloud? It would make them more accessible.