Hi! Here is my best Velocitycurve for the fantastic KAWAI VPC 1. My favourite Sound is the Blüthner Model One. Value-Dynamic 40, Value Mint to Condition 45. Have fun! Use the Kawai VPC 1 Velocity-Preset 3 (F#4)
Greetings from Hamburg.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/270...mized.mfxp
Dare I even attempt to suggest this???
Do I have such audacity???
Well, in short, yes!!!
A new velocity curve for the VPC1!!!
I anticipate a tirade of sorts, but am willing to run the gauntlet!!!
To the chase. Having had and enjoyed this 88 note wonder for a few months now, and having become more than a little inquisitive regarding the custom PianoTEQ curve, I decided to have a more serious look at the VPC1 Editing Software's Custom Velocity Curve Generator. After quite a number of attempts, I realised there was a simple basic shape that appeared to remain comstant with each try. And it is is so, so very simple that it only requires a single control point!!!
Shall I tell??? ; )
OK,
Velocity = [0, 75, 127; 0, 37, 127]
It can be used at keyboard or software stage and the simplest is just to paste...
Velocity = [0, 75, 127; 0, 37, 127]
...into the PianoTEQ velocity graph, or simply add a control point at 75; 37
Note: Whichever curve you wish to adjust (keyboard's or PianoTEQ's), make sure the other curve is set linear/normal. In other words, if you alter the keyboard's curve, set PianoTEQ's llinear, and vice versa.
Let me know what you think,
Kindest Regards,
Chris
FINAL offering;
velocity = [0, 64, 94, 125, 127; 0, 32, 64, 127, 127]
Kindest Regards,
Chris
FINAL offering;
velocity = [0, 64, 94, 125, 127; 0, 32, 64, 127, 127]
Kindest Regards,
Chris
CORRECTION: velocity = [0, 64, 95, 125, 127; 0, 32, 64, 127, 127]
Did I say final???
Did I say final???
0,0
83,52
127,127
Or
Velocity = [0, 83, 127; 0, 52, 127]
0,0; 95,57; 127,127
best yet
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...5%2C57.mp3
Kindest Regards,
Chris
Hi,
I've just bought a Kawai VPC and I am a bit lost between the curve (fine tuned for pianoteq) set in the VPC keyboard by the VPC Editor and the velocity curve you can define in pianoteq (I am using v4) standalone software.
Do you need to set both or only one either in VPC keyboard or in Pianoteq standalone ?
Is VPC keyboard curve and Pianoteq velocity curve the same concept ?
Thanks for your help !
Kind regards for Switzerland
Philippe
Set the Normal curve in the Pianoteq GUI when using an Editor curve. And the other way round.
They're exactly the same idea. You should be able to pull the values from the VPC1 curve for Pianoteq, copy them into Pianoteq's Velocity utility, turn VPC Editor off, and keep it off ever after. The correction effect will be identical.
Latest (and favourite so far)
Velocity = [0, 60, 127; 0, 19, 127]
Kindest Regards,
Chris
Velocity = (0, 74, 127; 0, 37, 127)
Further testing required.
Best used in the VPC Editor rather than copying and pasting to PianoTeq velocity pane.
Kindest a Regards,
Chris
Velocity = (0, 74, 127; 0, 37, 127)
Further testing required.
Best used in the VPC Editor rather than copying and pasting to PianoTeq velocity pane.
Kindest a Regards,
Chris
Velocity = (0, 74, 127; 0, 37, 127)
Further testing required.
Best used in the VPC Editor rather than copying and pasting to PianoTeq velocity pane.
Kindest a Regards,
Chris
Hi Chris - what kind of repeat speed (single note trills) are you getting from your VPC-1 controller?
Lanny
Hi Lanny
Further to my email response and for the benefit of other VPC1 owners/would be owners, I would like answer your question regarding trills on a single note.
I have been looking at this today and find that the bounce back speed of the keys is excellent - very fast.
You DO have to allow the key back fully before replaying it otherwise the volume decreases too much.
It is important to get the timing right, but I guess that would be the same with any hammer action piano/keyboard seeing that one is dealing with hammer travel/position and action movements etc..
That said, I have been practicing that infamous extract from Gershwin because it is a good exercise on this subject and am getting some nice results. More practice after this e-mail. I hope to post a demo midi file.
Hope this helps,
Kindest Regards,
Chris
...to use with the perfext .fxp "D4_NY_-_Moderate" by rjpianist.
01) Velocity = [0, 21, 38, 59, 80, 100, 118, 127; 0, 14, 29, 48, 67, 90, 116, 127]
or
02) Velocity = [0, 3, 121, 127; 0, 0, 127, 127]
PS:better use Kawai "Normal curve" in VPC1 + 01 or 02 in Pianoteq 5
(Rachel has really created an amazing piano sonority!)
...to use with the perfext .fxp "D4_NY_-_Moderate" by rjpianist.
01) Velocity = [0, 21, 38, 59, 80, 100, 118, 127; 0, 14, 29, 48, 67, 90, 116, 127]
Just loaded these up with my ES100 and it's absolute heaven. Thank you!
0,0
49,12
113,127
This curve is my best offering to date. It has a huge dynamic range and yet still enables the pianist to smoothly navigate it. It is best used in the VPC Editor. Please feel free to comment.
Kindest Regards,
Sigasa
0,0
49,12
113,127This curve is my best offering to date. It has a huge dynamic range and yet still enables the pianist to smoothly navigate it. It is best used in the VPC Editor. Please feel free to comment.
Kindest Regards,
Sigasa
Small tweak reveals even more sparkle
0,0
47,10
113,127
Kindest Regards,
Chris
curve in vpc editor for Pianoteq:
Velocity = [0, 5, 11, 17, 24, 30, 37, 43, 50, 57, 63, 69, 75, 81, 88, 93, 98, 103, 107, 111, 115, 118, 121, 123, 125, 127; 0, 1, 3, 5, 8, 11, 15, 20, 26, 33, 40, 48, 55, 63, 73, 80, 88, 96, 102, 108, 114, 118, 122, 124, 126, 127]
With the new day! Refreshing rate curve for VPC1)) :
Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 111, 115, 119, 122, 124, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 106, 111, 116, 120, 123, 127]
Thank You! Feels good to me (as a noob on piano).
In my opinion the best so far...
Analogus, yes, I liked the curve, too. VPCEditor updated to version 1.3. Among the default curves appeared to curve MP11. But it was limited in fortissimo (no more than 114). I liked it in conjunction with VPC1. I corrected region fortissimo to a value of 127. The positive features of this curve: a good predictability, contrast, large depth to pianissimo, a sense of "key weight", matching sensations and the resulting sound. From negative - perhaps too easy, bright, complex in pianissimo. In opposition, the default curve for Pianoteq I find a little cotton, slowing down. Perhaps the true curve for combinations Pianoteq-VPC1 is somewhere ..in some places closer to the version the default curve Pianoteq, in some - option for MP11. But, nevertheless, this curve is the most attractive for me so far. It inspires to exercise skills, not to search for the best settings. Judging by the news, the curve for VPC1 created in collaboration with Modartt was created during version ~4.5. Perhaps since models were established some improvements that can be disclosed to a greater extent by using more correct velocity curve. I would ask Modartt - Kawai clarify the rate curve for default VPC1 (for VPCEditor).
The photo curves relative to the horizontal zero change)
I have recently managed to get my VPC1 working again after the supplied power pack / AC/DC adapter blew. I am currently using a Casio Privia power pack / AC/DC adapter that works perfectly and is better quality.
Anyhow, the reason for my post is this. I have found that the most even velocity response is obtained by using the curve which lights the power button solid orange on the VPC1. I forget offhand which VST instrument this curve was custom designed for, but it isn't Pianoteq! Pianoteq's custom curve lights the power button solid green.
Since realising that that velocity response is much tighter using the 'solid orange' curve, I have been working on the Pianoteq velocity curve to achieve a pleasing piano curve. I shall post an .fxp to the file area soon. I have managed to get the VPC1 to sound much better this way.
Do note that there has had to be quite a drastic change to the default Pianoteq curve (in Pianoteq velocity curve pane) but early results prove positive.
I'll return shortly.
Kindest Regards,
Chris
Among the default curves appeared to curve MP11. But it was limited in fortissimo (no more than 114)
If you could somehow post the MP11 curve from the program, I would greatly appreciate it. I downloaded the editor but I could not find anything related to MP11. Thank you.
Scorpio, I hope no mistake in the figures ..
Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 107, 110, 112, 113, 114]
scherbakov.al, Thank you!
Tell me, what in numbers sensitivity "Pianoteq" in VPC Editor?
Mr.st.andy, Velocity = [0, 5, 11, 17, 24, 30, 37, 43, 50, 57, 63, 69, 75, 81, 88, 93, 98, 103, 107, 111, 115, 118, 121, 123, 125, 127; 0, 1, 3, 5, 8, 11, 15, 20, 26, 33, 40, 48, 55, 63, 73, 80, 88, 96, 102, 108, 114, 118, 122, 124, 126, 127]
?? Пропал вопрос про кривые.. Простите что не ответил сразу. Чувствительность или скорость клавиатуры вначале обрабатывается в VPCEditor, а потом в Pianoteq. Работает похоже, как кривые в Фотошоп. Вы делаете нажатие(входные данные) и они изменяются в соответствии с заданной кривой. VPC1 в своей памяти хранит настройки пяти кривых и они могут использоваться без включения VPCEditor. Переключаться между ними можно с помощью нажатия кнопки питания и одной из пяти верхних черных клавиш. Если вы включите кривую в VPC1 + кривую в Pianoteq то они будут работать одновременно. Но одна и таже кривая используемая только в редакторе или только в Пианотек будет давать одинаковый результат.
?? Missing question about curves ..Sorry that did not respond immediately. The sensitivity of the keyboard, or the speed of initially processed VPCEditor, and then in Pianoteq. Works looks like curves in Photoshop. Do you press (input), and they change in accordance with a predetermined curve. VPC1 in its memory stores settings of five curves, and they can be used without turning on VPCEditor. You can switch between them by pressing the power button and one of the top five black keys. If you enable the curve to curve in VPC1 + Pianoteq they will operate simultaneously. But one and the same curve is used only in the editor or only Pianoteq will give the same result.
Very pleasant are obtained if the simultaneous use in the VPC1 Curve Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 107, 110, 112, 113, 114]
And Pianoteq curve Velocity = [6, 13, 25, 122, 127; 0, 3, 13, 127, 127]
upd 3.7.2016
scherbakov.al, Thank you! Спасибо.
Very pleasant are obtained if the simultaneous use in the VPC1 Curve Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 107, 110, 112, 113, 114]
And Pianoteq curve Velocity = [6, 13, 25, 122, 127; 0, 3, 13, 127, 127]upd 3.7.2016
Hi!
Question:
Do You use this 2 curves in combination?
If yes - is there a convenient and quick way to copy the numbers into the VPC-Editor?
Thanks
scherbakov.al wrote:Very pleasant are obtained if the simultaneous use in the VPC1 Curve Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 107, 110, 112, 113, 114]
And Pianoteq curve Velocity = [6, 13, 25, 122, 127; 0, 3, 13, 127, 127]upd 3.7.2016
Hi!
Question:
Do You use this 2 curves in combination?
If yes - is there a convenient and quick way to copy the numbers into the VPC-Editor?Thanks
I entered manually. What to do..
scherbakov.al wrote:Very pleasant are obtained if the simultaneous use in the VPC1 Curve Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 107, 110, 112, 113, 114]
And Pianoteq curve Velocity = [6, 13, 25, 122, 127; 0, 3, 13, 127, 127]upd 3.7.2016
Hi!
Question:
Do You use this 2 curves in combination?
If yes - is there a convenient and quick way to copy the numbers into the VPC-Editor?Thanks
Thanks!
Analogus, I found a way how to not enter values manually VPСEditor. You can download the file from the link Dropbox and put in a folder on the specified routes. The extension ".tсv" file.
Mac: /Users/admin/Documents/VPC Editor
Windows XP: C:\Documents and Settings\[User name]\My Documents\VPC Editor\Touch Curve
Windows Vista / 7 / 8: C:\Users\[User name]\Documents\VPC Editor\Touch Curve
Files name - " .tcv "
Hi!
Sorry for my late reply - long time not online here.
I downloaded Your files and installing it.
Thank's very much!
I noticed that the note-off event in VPC1 occurs most often in the midi range from 50 to 127 .. I decided to increase the convexity of this range.
Hello,
I am new on this forum. Sorry if my question seems absurd or dumb.
I am using pianoteq 6 on Kawai CA-17. Is there any difference between velocity curves of these two models (VPC-1 and CA-17) and the way I should configure it ?
Sorry for my poor English.
Quentin
Any updated velocity curve for the VPC 1 for Pianoteq 6?
Or best to use the original VPC 1 Pianoteq touch curve?
Thanks for your help and input!
Has anyone here bought the manipulated VPC1 from Ravenswork to get the right touch of a grand piano?
Any good updates on the Velocity curve for the VPC1 and Pianoteq 6 ?
Thanks for sharing!
In the VPC curve presets there was one for MP11. Here it is, supposedly from the VPC editor for the MP11:
Velocity = [0, 3, 7, 12, 17, 23, 30, 36, 43, 49, 56, 63, 72, 79, 85, 93, 99, 104, 108, 112, 116, 120, 123, 127; 0, 6, 10, 13, 17, 21, 25, 30, 36, 41, 47, 54, 62, 69, 75, 82, 90, 96, 102, 107, 110, 112, 113, 114]
Recently, I use the following curve settings between VPC1 and Pianoteq:
(In VPC Editor ..)
( Velocity = [14, 121; 0, 127] )
At the same time inside Pianoteq no change:
Be sure to turn on the note off speed curve:
Note-Off Velocity = [0, 127; 72, 127]
.. and sustain pedal:
Sustain Velocity = [0, 25, 60, 127; 0, 0, 127, 127]
Oops! And the last few days I liked to play using the following curve:
It is absolutely equal -
Global Velocity = [0, 5, 15, 30, 49, 72, 98, 127; 0, 1, 5, 15, 30, 54, 86, 127]
This allows good interaction with the weight of the keyboard.
Oops! And the last few days I liked to play using the following curve:
It is absolutely equal -
Global Velocity = [0, 5, 15, 30, 49, 72, 98, 127; 0, 1, 5, 15, 30, 54, 86, 127]This allows good interaction with the weight of the keyboard.
Hi scerbakov.al,
Do you think this new update Pianoteq 7.2.0 has improvement keybed dynamic without doing too much tweaking velocity curve?
I have this question because I ordered vpc1 and will arrive in 3 weeks.
I can see your velocity picture is almost flat which is interesting.
Thank you for your response.
Best regards.
scherbakov.al wrote:Oops! And the last few days I liked to play using the following curve:
It is absolutely equal -
Global Velocity = [0, 5, 15, 30, 49, 72, 98, 127; 0, 1, 5, 15, 30, 54, 86, 127]This allows good interaction with the weight of the keyboard.
Hi scerbakov.al,
Do you think this new update Pianoteq 7.2.0 has improvement keybed dynamic without doing too much tweaking velocity curve?
I have this question because I ordered vpc1 and will arrive in 3 weeks.
I can see your velocity picture is almost flat which is interesting.
Thank you for your response.
Best regards.
Hi dulistan heman!
Lately I have been using the curve in the VPC-editor as above. This is a slightly curved curve. + Inside Pianoteq I use Global Velocity = [5, 125; 0, 127]
With the new version of Pianoteq, I continued to use these settings. At the moment I like it and I do not have much difficulty when I move on to live instruments.
jocundity..
dulistan heman wrote:scherbakov.al wrote:Oops! And the last few days I liked to play using the following curve:
It is absolutely equal -
Global Velocity = [0, 5, 15, 30, 49, 72, 98, 127; 0, 1, 5, 15, 30, 54, 86, 127]This allows good interaction with the weight of the keyboard.
Hi scerbakov.al,
Do you think this new update Pianoteq 7.2.0 has improvement keybed dynamic without doing too much tweaking velocity curve?
I have this question because I ordered vpc1 and will arrive in 3 weeks.
I can see your velocity picture is almost flat which is interesting.
Thank you for your response.
Best regards.
Hi dulistan heman!
Lately I have been using the curve in the VPC-editor as above. This is a slightly curved curve. + Inside Pianoteq I use Global Velocity = [5, 125; 0, 127]
With the new version of Pianoteq, I continued to use these settings. At the moment I like it and I do not have much difficulty when I move on to live instruments.
jocundity..
I'll definitely try your settings once my vpc1 arrive. Super Thanks for your response.
Oops! And the last few days I liked to play using the following curve:
It is absolutely equal -
Global Velocity = [0, 5, 15, 30, 49, 72, 98, 127; 0, 1, 5, 15, 30, 54, 86, 127]This allows good interaction with the weight of the keyboard.
Got the VPC1 today and this one feels so much better than the (i guess obsolete?) built-in Pianoteq preset (tested on ver. 7.4.2)
dulistan heman wrote:scherbakov.al wrote:Oops! And the last few days I liked to play using the following curve:
It is absolutely equal -
Global Velocity = [0, 5, 15, 30, 49, 72, 98, 127; 0, 1, 5, 15, 30, 54, 86, 127]This allows good interaction with the weight of the keyboard.
Hi scerbakov.al,
Do you think this new update Pianoteq 7.2.0 has improvement keybed dynamic without doing too much tweaking velocity curve?
I have this question because I ordered vpc1 and will arrive in 3 weeks.
I can see your velocity picture is almost flat which is interesting.
Thank you for your response.
Best regards.
Hi dulistan heman!
Lately I have been using the curve in the VPC-editor as above. This is a slightly curved curve. + Inside Pianoteq I use Global Velocity = [5, 125; 0, 127]
With the new version of Pianoteq, I continued to use these settings. At the moment I like it and I do not have much difficulty when I move on to live instruments.
jocundity..
Hi scherbakov.al!
Thank you for being so active in here! I recently got Pianoteq and was wondering if you've made any updates to your Global (VPC 1 Editor) or Pianoteq settings for v8. Also open to any settings suggestions anyone else may have! Thanks!
Thank you for being so active in here! I recently got Pianoteq and was wondering if you've made any updates to your Global (VPC 1 Editor) or Pianoteq settings for v8. Also open to any settings suggestions anyone else may have! Thanks!
Recently, with the new version of Pianoteq most often use the following strategy: I put the instrument in cell "A" and, if possible, create the same settings between the notes (except for the points of impact of the hammers and the position of the dampfers). I set the same width of the unison, the same quality of the unison, set the perfect alignment, turn off all effects except reverberation, turn off the limiter, leave one microphone per channel without mixing and delays, place the microphones closer, make the noise of the mechanics quieter. Even the spectrum profile has been reset. And with such settings, Bluthner been living in cell "A" lately. Cell "B" usually contains a randomly selected instrument with default preset settings. But at the same time I turn off the limiter (I don't like something about it). And when playing, I often switch between "A" and "B". And I often change the instrument in "B"-cell. Something like that.
As for the Vpc1, since I made my midi keyboard with live piano mechanics, I no longer use the Vpc1. He stands and waits for the moment to be sold.
Oh, yes! The question was about the speed curves. In the current position, the curve used is flat.