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Topic: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

Hi all,
    I like this piano very much, the only problem is that it doesn't support continuous sustain pedals, but only on-off values.

My question is: it seems that it is possible to use some expression pedal (for wah wah, modulation volume and so on).

Is it possible also:

1) I connect a pedal like the Yamaha FC3  (http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-pr...mode=model) to the expression pedal input and
2) configure Pianoteq to use the midi messages (MIDI CC 11 probably) as continuous sustain?

I'm sure it is possible to do 2) but I'm not sure that the PX-5S and the FC3 (or similar) can work together...
Has someone tried something similar, even with a different pedal?

Thank you for reading sorry for my English! :-)

Massimo

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

It should work fine. That's how i use it on my M-audio oxygen88. (it's CC#64 btw) A half-damper pedal is essentially an expression pedal that springs back up when you release it. The connector should be a TRS 1/4 inch jack, the kind with tip, ring, and sleeve - like the Yamaha FC3 or the Roland DP-10.

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

delt wrote:

It should work fine. That's how i use it on my M-audio oxygen88. (it's CC#64 btw) A half-damper pedal is essentially an expression pedal that springs back up when you release it. The connector should be a TRS 1/4 inch jack, the kind with tip, ring, and sleeve - like the Yamaha FC3 or the Roland DP-10.

Thank you delt, I mentioned CC11 because it is expression, so it is what I expect to get from the Casio MIDI OUT if I plug a half-damper pedal into the expression pedal input.

But it is easy to configure Pianoteq to treat CC#11 messages like sustain (CC#64) so that's not really an issue.
The issue is to understand if sustain pedals like FC3 or DP-10 are electronically compatible with expression controllers, like Yamaha FC7, and if they work with the Casio.

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Massimo

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

I think that Yamaha and Casio damper pedals have the opposite polarity. You might want to research that. You don't want the notes sustaining when the pedal is up.

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

beakybird wrote:

I think that Yamaha and Casio damper pedals have the opposite polarity. You might want to research that. You don't want the notes sustaining when the pedal is up.

Hi 4beakybirdToday, I don't want to use the Casio damper pedal IN: I would like to connect a (continuous) sustain pedal to the expression IN...

Maybe I should find a store with a PX-5s available and try...

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Massimo

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

Well polarity should matter. I would get a Roland pedal which I believe is the same polarity as Casio.

As far a definitive answer to your question, I would pose it on casiomusicforums.com where they have some Casio representatives popping in.

Good luck and let us know.

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

Pedal Polarity:  If you use ordinary switch on/off type pedals and the pedal polarity is wrong, you may not be aware that the designers of some keyboards (at least the Kurzweil folks to it . . they're pretty savvy) provide "smart jacks" on the back of the keyboards.  You're pedal jacks may be smarter than you think. 

If the pedal polarity is wrong . . just hold the sustain pedal down while turning on the keyboard power button.  After the key board is on and functioning,  let the pedal up . .  the polarity of the pedal will have toggled to your desired way.   Quite simple.

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

delt wrote:

A half-damper pedal is essentially an expression pedal that springs back up when you release it.

This expression assign trick has worked on several brands of keyboards that i know of (my m-audio, roland, and a few others)...

And, if the polarity is wrong, in Pianoteq you can reverse it: options -> midi, controller 64 (sustain pedal) just swap the values for "range" -- instead of going from 0.00 to 1.00, make it go from 1.00 to 0.00 and the operation of the pedal will be reversed.


/* edit */ I just tested the Roland DP-10 sustain pedal on my guitar rig, and as expected, values go from 0% (pedal released) to 100% (pedal fully pressed down) just like a normal expression pedal. So it's pretty much guaranteed that a half-damper pedal will work with your keyboard if it has an expression pedal jack - at least with pianoteq:

  - Assign the expression jack's CC to 64.
  * Worst-case scenario for CC: it's stuck at 11 on your Casio, so you configure Pianoteq (or other piano software) to use CC#11 as sustain pedal.

  - It should be of the right polarity out-of-the-box.
  * Worst-case scenario for polarity: As described above, you just invert it in Pianoteq, or other piano software.

(if a piano software doesn't let you configure CC and polarity for pedals, you probably shouldn't buy it )

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Re: Casio PX-5S and expression pedal

delt wrote:
delt wrote:

A half-damper pedal is essentially an expression pedal that springs back up when you release it.

This expression assign trick has worked on several brands of keyboards that i know of (my m-audio, roland, and a few others)...

And, if the polarity is wrong, in Pianoteq you can reverse it: options -> midi, controller 64 (sustain pedal) just swap the values for "range" -- instead of going from 0.00 to 1.00, make it go from 1.00 to 0.00 and the operation of the pedal will be reversed.


/* edit */ I just tested the Roland DP-10 sustain pedal on my guitar rig, and as expected, values go from 0% (pedal released) to 100% (pedal fully pressed down) just like a normal expression pedal. So it's pretty much guaranteed that a half-damper pedal will work with your keyboard if it has an expression pedal jack - at least with pianoteq:

  - Assign the expression jack's CC to 64.
  * Worst-case scenario for CC: it's stuck at 11 on your Casio, so you configure Pianoteq (or other piano software) to use CC#11 as sustain pedal.

  - It should be of the right polarity out-of-the-box.
  * Worst-case scenario for polarity: As described above, you just invert it in Pianoteq, or other piano software.

(if a piano software doesn't let you configure CC and polarity for pedals, you probably shouldn't buy it )

Thank you, nice to hear that it should be possible. I'll try in a store, in the meanwhile I asked also on casiomusicforums.com.

Bye,

Massimo