Topic: TONE slider

Hi all,

I sent this request in to Modartt, but wondering if I can drum up support and also get feedback in case anyone has insight that might help me.

I think it would be great if, in addition to the current EQ panel (which is awesome), there would be a simple TONE slider to go brighter or darker. Maybe right under Volume and Dynamics? Then, in the pro version, it would be available in the note editor so that I could make a curve from darker in the bass to brighter in the treble.

Anyone else think this would be cool? Any ideas on how to accomplish this currently? My experiments with hammer hardness aren't quite giving the effect I'd like.

Rachel Jimenez
Classical pianist and teacher
http://fundamentalkeys.com

Re: TONE slider

I think the best would be to have a proper 3-band parametric EQ in the FX section. Anything else is just not going to "cut it" (pun intended)

This wouldn't be a per-note feature, though.

Last edited by EvilDragon (27-06-2014 14:21)
Hard work and guts!

Re: TONE slider

I suppose parametric EQ could work per-note if the panel functioned like the spectrum profile editor.

Rachel Jimenez
Classical pianist and teacher
http://fundamentalkeys.com

Re: TONE slider

rjpianist wrote:

I suppose parametric EQ could work per-note if the panel functioned like the spectrum profile editor.

Hi Rachel,
Which version are you using, pro, standard, or other?
In the 'Effects' section there's a tone slider in the 'Reverb' and the the 'Delay' sub sections. Also the 'Duplex scale' in the 'Design' section. The 'Energy' slider in the 'Design' takes the edge of the sound (say 0.01). These make the sound brighter or darker.
If there were to be another tone slider, I think it should appear in the 'Design' section. The more control the better.

Re: TONE slider

Thanks! I have PRO.

I will play around with everything you are mentioning. But, still, having a per-note tone feature would be what I'm looking for.

Rachel Jimenez
Classical pianist and teacher
http://fundamentalkeys.com

Re: TONE slider

rjpianist wrote:

I suppose parametric EQ could work per-note if the panel functioned like the spectrum profile editor.

Perhaps, but it would be a bitch to edit key by key... A global parametric EQ is great for quick shaping of the overall sound.

Hard work and guts!

Re: TONE slider

In fact there is a 3-band parametric EQ in the effect section, but it's tied to the Amp effect...I was not very fond of that effect, but, listening to an old fxp of mine, I found a setting that might just do the trick for you. It gives a darker tone to D4, getting the sound closer to a NY Steinway without adding too much bad coloring.

I uploaded a modified version of your fxp (modified by Philippe) where there is only the addition of the Amp effect along with a corresponding reduction of volume. This amp has a color of its own, and surprisingly, it sounds best when mixing it full volume...

This also reduces the metallic resonances in the bass that you talked about in the other thread.

I uploaded as demo the beginning of Brahm's sonata no 3 in F minor. With this fxp, it recalls the sound of a CD of this piece by André Laplante, who seems to prefer NY Steinways with a large, ample sound.

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.php?id=1981
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p..._Minor.mp3

Just another suggestion for experimenting...   it's endless with pianoteq...


EDIT: The demo doesn't play! I seem to recall there is a problem with long names for mp3 files...Stay tuned while I rename it...

EDIT2: I replaced the demo, but something should be done about this, it's very easy to make mistakes that you can't correct in the link between Fxp Corner and Other Files! For instance I can't delete the file whose too long name was truncated (get a File not found error). I can't attach the demo to the fxp without re-uploading it (I had already uploaded it to the Other Files section and would get a naming error if trying that)...needs more validation I think...

Last edited by Gilles (27-06-2014 17:19)

Re: TONE slider

At some point I'd like to move up to Pro, and I think it would be nice to have a single tone knob or three band eq for each note. This can be convenient if all but a few notes sound just right or to make up for coloration due to room acoustics or headphone/speaker design.

Pianoteq 6 Std, Bluthner, Model B, Grotian, YC5, Hohner, Kremsegg #1, Electric Pianos. Roland FP-90, Windows 10 quad core, Xenyx Q802USB, Yamaha HS8 monitors, Audio Technica
ATH-M50x headphones.

Re: TONE slider

Gilles wrote:

In fact there is a 3-band parametric EQ in the effect section, but it's tied to the Amp effect...

It has its own predefined "sound", since Amp models an amplifier, it has that cabinet filtered sound already, even if all EQ controls are dead center. It's for shaping the distortion, not for shaping the overall sound. Hence, a proper 3-band EQ is a must (and a PHASER, too! But that's a different story ).

Last edited by EvilDragon (27-06-2014 17:45)
Hard work and guts!

Re: TONE slider

rjpianist wrote:

Hi all,

I sent this request in to Modartt, but wondering if I can drum up support and also get feedback in case anyone has insight that might help me.

I think it would be great if, in addition to the current EQ panel (which is awesome), there would be a simple TONE slider to go brighter or darker. Maybe right under Volume and Dynamics? Then, in the pro version, it would be available in the note editor so that I could make a curve from darker in the bass to brighter in the treble.

Anyone else think this would be cool? Any ideas on how to accomplish this currently? My experiments with hammer hardness aren't quite giving the effect I'd like.

I think a tone button is an excellent idea.
It is like a one way global equalizer. It works very well with electric guitars or pedal effects. A simple first step before the use of more elaborate tools.

Last edited by stamkorg (27-06-2014 19:46)

Re: TONE slider

It's not so simple . . .

A normal EQ works on frequency bands _in the final AF output_.   And you can "darken" or "brighten" the overall tone of the piano with it.

What Rachel is asking for is an EQ which works differently _on each note_, but doesn't have to be _specified_ for each note.   So the EQ applied to a bottom-octave note (for example) would have some extra low-frequency gain, and the EQ applied to notes in the  top two octaves would have some extra high-frequency gain.   And notes in between would have EQ that was interpolated between those extremes.

It's a way to "warp" the whole tonal response of the piano sound.   Very powerful, and maybe with only a few parameters needed.  Intriguing . . .

But more complex -- way more complex -- than a parametric EQ applied to the sum of _all_ the notes being played at any time.

.              Charles

Re: TONE slider

Hi again Rachel, I think you need the pro version, I feel on your latest presets that you are trying to get rid of that metallic sound, but in consequence the sound is getting darker, on pro version you can change note by note. I hope you are able to get it for the sake of the community, and I dare to say or ask Phillip for a donation to you or some offer lol, as I feel you make the best FXP in the whole life of Pianoteq.

Last edited by Rohade (28-06-2014 08:35)

Re: TONE slider

I do have the PRO version! I should have something new to share with you guys later today. You've all been so nice.

Rachel Jimenez
Classical pianist and teacher
http://fundamentalkeys.com