Topic: really old macbook 1.8 ghz core duo just works...
...while a fresh Windoze supabook absolutely sucks running Pianoteq. Asio cankiss my assio, yo... wtf. Hate windows, it just sucks.
Love OSX, it just works
...while a fresh Windoze supabook absolutely sucks running Pianoteq. Asio cankiss my assio, yo... wtf. Hate windows, it just sucks.
Love OSX, it just works
no config, no bs guessing assio crappio. <<<<<<<<<<<<twist and go on a mac, evil drag on c'mon fix us up please if u actually factually mac it up
...and what is the purpose of this thread? None, if you are honest. Frustration is sometimes understandable, but it serves absolutely no purpose to start another "my OS is better" flamewar. If OS X works better for your purposes: that's the reason there are multiple Pianoteq flavours in the first place (there is even a Linux variant, BTW). So use the Mac version and be happy it 'just works' . And please, stop trolling. Thanks.
Never had any issues with Pianoteq on any Windows based computer. Just works.
I'm calling PEBKAC here.
I installed PT on 4 different Windows computers from weak Intel Atom netbook to 4,5 GHz Intel i5.
Win 7 and Win 8 (both 32bit and 64bit).
With build-in sound card, pci Audigy and external usb sound card.
And never had any issues.
Problem must be between the chair and keyboard :-)
...and this is what I meant with 'this thread serves no purpose'.
Threads like these would probably belong to some "supercool fashion" sub-forum where we'd discuss that a red Schimmel is of course sounding "more sunny" than a wooden Baldwin upright, or ice-cream doesn't harm Linux while it makes Windows flubby.
A very old dual core Windows Vista laptop ran always fine with Pianoteq - this is in fact a success for the developers who manage to make a software piano that does not need the "I have to buy a new machine every year"-ideology.
In fact would there be one piano inbuilt that would in theory work in 27 years still with a PC/mac/Linux of today, that would be wonderful, and somehow similar to old pianos .
Threads like these would probably belong to some "supercool fashion" sub-forum where we'd discuss that a red Schimmel is of course sounding "more sunny" than a wooden Baldwin upright, or ice-cream doesn't harm Linux while it makes Windows flubby.
My problem with Macs is all that aluminum makes Pianoteq sound too metallic. And on Windows it sounds to plasticy ("plasticky?"). 'Course we all know what both of 'em need....
MORE WOOD!
Is that wood enough?
Aw, how did that piano crash into a tree? That's what happens when you drink & play...
My problem with Macs is all that aluminum makes Pianoteq sound too metallic. And on Windows it sounds to plasticy ("plasticky?"). 'Course we all know what both of 'em need....MORE WOOD!
For the record, my comment here was totally T-I-C...I have no problem with the sound of Pianoteq, it is fantastic. Just making fun of the constant call for more woodiness, something which has perhaps died down now that version 5 came out.
Sorry everyone. Yes it was frustration served up with an antidepressant and several glasses of red wine. Admittedly not a good combination and I regret posting while under the influence of the above combination.
Windows has always been toxic to me too tho so I'll stick with my Macs.
Again my apologies...
Eugene
Linux user here since the mid 90's, and i must agree that windows is nothing but headache after headache after more headaches. Every OS has its good and bad points, except windows which has no good points. Other than marketing. I find it apalling that such deficient garbage has over 90% of the market share in operating systems.
If someone wants a good computer, easy to use, reliable etc.... i always say "get a mac".
I like Linux as well. Got a sweet deal on a Toshiba laptop 840w widescreen with very nice harman kardon speakers. Made it dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu 14.04 with all UbuntuStudio components installed as well. Pianoteq works nicely under Ubuntu but it's glitchy crackly poppy and latent under Windows 7 on the same hardware device. So yeah PEBKAC but that ain't the only problem.
Pianoteq runs like a dream on 4 aging macs here, no special drivers or interfaces needed. It just works. It just doesn't work for me and Windows. Never has. I'm sure that Philippe has seen me de-authorize my PT license on a few windows PCs but never yet on a Mac
Your mileage will of course vary!
"here's your sign"
Pianoteq works nicely under Ubuntu but it's glitchy crackly poppy and latent under Windows 7 on the same hardware device. So yeah PEBKAC but that ain't the only problem.
I'm pretty sure it is the only problem. I've went over four different PC configurations and neither had absolutely any problems or latency with Pianoteq.
The 3 OS options look like something this:
MacOS -- works perfect every time but it costs more money.
Linux -- it either works perfect or never works. Audio drivers reside at the kernel level and Linus Torvalds is a total asshole about the quality of code that goes into the mainline tree. Linux is especially good with old hardware because drivers continually accumulate as loadable kernel modules. If your Sound Blaster 1.0 worked in Linux back in 1996, the latest Ubuntu LiveUSB will detect it because the kernel module is still there. Linux is NOT good with the newest hardware though because even after the drivers are done, the kernel update might not make it to your distro anytime soon.
Windows -- drivers are written by individual manufacturers at varying code & testing quality. Hardware version 1.5 with drivers 3.5.0.1 might have worked fine with Windows 7 SP1 but now you're using SP2 or Windows 8 Update 2 + drivers 3.76 + updated applications -- let's just say we've already seen in the ASIO update thread there people are saying leave well enough alone if you have a working Windows config. Good luck hunting down drivers for out-of-support hardware -- I remember Logitech simply deleting the drivers for older hardware off their website so when I had to do a Windows reinstall, I had no choice but to buy replacement hardware.
There is one other option -- ChromeOS hardware. This is the cheapest possible dedicated Pianoteq computer with Google subsidizing the prices. For example, an Asus Chromebox sells for $140 .. an equivalent Intel/Gigabyte NUC w/ memory+SSD would be $250. Same thing for an Acer Chromebook C720. I've seen those on sale for $180 while cheapest equiv 11.6" netbook is at least $100 more. Of course, ChromeOS won't run Pianoteq ... not until you install Crouton+CrUbuntu so you need to be tech-oriented to choose this option.
eugene wrote:Pianoteq works nicely under Ubuntu but it's glitchy crackly poppy and latent under Windows 7 on the same hardware device. So yeah PEBKAC but that ain't the only problem.
I'm pretty sure it is the only problem. I've went over four different PC configurations and neither had absolutely any problems or latency with Pianoteq.
Yeah well good thing you have all those horseshoes available
PNEBCAM (problem never exists between chair and Mac)
PNEBCAM (problem never exists between chair and Mac)
That is so untrue. As anything man-made, even Macs aren't impervious to crashes or "stupid behaviour". Seen it happen before my eyes more than once, too.
eugene wrote:PNEBCAM (problem never exists between chair and Mac)
That is so untrue. As anything man-made, even Macs aren't impervious to crashes or "stupid behaviour". Seen it happen before my eyes more than once, too.
PNEBCAM in this case refers to Pianoteq running trouble free - but I would agree Macs are not impervious to the behaviours you mention - just less pervious in my experience Perhaps if I knew more about the tech side of how computers work I'd have a greater appreciation for Windows, but I don't.
I do however know how to turn on a Mac and subsequently enjoy a trouble-free creative music making session every time.
Windows music making has consistently been - for me - an exercise in frustration. Hence the original post for which once again I apologize to all.
Most people use Windows, because most people use Windows, because most people use Windows. That doesn't make Windows bad. Most people are are not that stupid ... or are they?
Mac: If it works it simply works and it works great. If it doesn't work it doesn't work. Too bad, but at least your Mac is good looking.
Linux: If it works it works great. If it doesn't work you fix the problem. If you can't fix it someone else can. Sometimes the problem is fixed within a few hours. Sometimes it takes ages. It's a myth that Linux has less bugs than Windows: Linux users love to fix bugs.