Misleading information re products available

Thanks for the reply and understanding.  The reason I was going for the standard version was that the stage version doesn't give me the facility to create a good enough sound.  I need quite different sounds for live playing via the Kawai ES7 speakers and to produce recordings via my domestic speaker system.  I had to get quite deep into the standard tweaks to get near enough to convince me I could fine tune after purchase.  300 euros for 2 pianos is a lot on a pension.

I don't find anything misleading in the advertisement. In the feature table it says "Includes two instrument packs", but when you go to "Instruments", you will find this:

And if you click on "buy", it immediately asks for the 'flavour' (and defines the three different variants). In fact this means that PTQ5 is cheaper than PTQ4 in some scenarios, e.g. when you are only interested in the electric pianos and not the acoustics. The Blüthner grand is something that sets Pianoteq apart, and therefore it always has been (and probably will be for the foreseeable future) a separate add-on.

What has gotten somewhat more expensive is the YC5 (from 30 to 50 Euros, probably because it got revamped), and the rock collection is now missing. I.e., in PTQ4 you could buy the electrics + Clavinet + YC5 together for 90 Euros and separately for 130 (now it's always three separate addons für 50 Euros each). Apart from that, pricing has not changed much. And you always have the KIViR instruments and the Bells and Carillons.

If they offered e.g. "Kremsegg Complete" for let's say 80 Euros, I'd have had bought it yesterday. And the old "Rock" collection was also pretty cool. I can't speak for others, but having decent acoustic and electric pianos is quite nice... just' sayin.

It's not that easy. An instrument pack is two things: (1) costs for research/work for producing it in the first place, and (2) a reason to buy Pianoteq, which is even more research/work to develop. All in all it is a mixed calculation, and although the individual download copy does not produce much in costs, I can absolutely understand Modartt not giving them away for free. That being said, bundles could still motivate people to buy that might otherwise have not, which would be a net gain for the manufacturer.

I still don't see where this is misleading. Or do they write "includes 2 arbritary instrument packs, to be chosen freely"? Or is the 'flavour' concept not clearly indicated before buying? In both regards the answer is no (on the features page the 'flavour' concept is actually mentioned). As long as it is absolutely clear what one buys before one buys, there is no misleading anybody.

You have interpreted something into the Pianoteq promo texts that was not exactly there, and were disappointed when you saw it was not meant like you would have wished. I understand that. I also wish Modartt would sell certain instrument packs together for a discounted price. However, the truth of the matter is: Pianoteq is a Modartt product, Modartt decide what they offer and for what price. Customers decide whether they buy. And truth to be told, Pianoteq Standard plus 1 add-on (which is what we are talking about) is still a great value.

PS: following your logic, it should also be possible to buy Kremsegg 1+2 for the base price. Which might be cool from a customer's perspective, but makes absolutely no business sense. I can understand why Modartt chose to make certain instrument packs available in the basic flavours, while others are only available as separate add-ons.

I also think quite the opposite.

It would be nice to have the default acoustic package have D4 + Bluthner but I'm sure Modartt has to pay licensing fees to Bluthner to use the name/likeness -- probably even got some expertise from Bluthner also in creating the model.

Dear all,
we are sorry for the confusion and we will update the presentation on the website to make the information clearer. Thank you for pointing that out.

The K2's bass strings are 2.11m (about 6.9ft) long, putting it squarely into the 'parlour grand' class, I'd say. I find its sound quite interesting: it is a nice contrast to the D4 at 2.70m and the Blüthner at 2.80m (about 9.2ft). It makes no sense to have instruments that are too similar. The Blüthner grand produces a very harmonic and mellow sound, the D4 is a bit brighter (albeit both can be modified to suit personal taste), and the K2 is more inharmonic and has a noticeably weaker bass (in these regards it shares similarities with an upright piano). I like all of them very much, and it depends on the piece I am playing (and a bit on my mood) which I choose.