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Topic: Mic position modelling

Hi! I really love Pianoteq 5, especially the mic simulation part. I love the way it actually changes the timbre of the instrument, and the feeling space and distance from the speakers. It's the first time I hear something that actually sounds like a true space in a plugin. Cause it's not exactly reverb as we often use it in reverb plugins. I remember using Nebula with the Roomhunters release. They sampled a room and diffrent mics in different positions and the result was good, but Pianoteq seems to do the same kind of things with more precision and less CPU.

But with Pianoteq you can only process the sound coming out of Pianoteq. So I was wondering if you guys knew a vst with this kind of simulation (mic position, mic type) but for mixing wav files in DAW. You would put virtual mics in front of 2 virtual speakers in a virtual room. If it sounds as good as Pianoteq does, I would be amazing. Or maybe Modartt could do a FX version of Pianoteq and you could use this mic thing as an effect.
What do you think?
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Re: Mic position modelling

Hello roof,
and welcome to the forum.
I am not sure and aware of the presence of such thing. The closest I can think of would be RaySpace.
Hope this would help

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Re: Mic position modelling

Hi thank you
I just tested it and it's interesting but I don't feel like it the same thing than in Pianoteq. I'm not really sure but mic part of Pianoteq is not really a reverb. You don't hear a specific room, but it's more about phasing between the microphones and where are the microphones placed. That's why when you put a mic far from the piano, you hear the distance from the piano but there is no reverb tail like a regular reverb vst. Am I completely crazy?

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Re: Mic position modelling

Do you hear any difference between the omni, cardiod, and figure-of-8 mics?

Room modeling is a prospective commercial opportunity for Modartt, I feel. The leading simulators - in terms of consistently achievable quality - IRCAM Spat, and Vienna MIR - are good, but inordinately expensive. (BTW they are based on different approaches, which suggests the science is not yet settled).

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Re: Mic position modelling

Yes, I hear a big difference between the mics. But is not so much about EQ curves. For example, close to the hammers a cardioid and an omni are really different. I noticed differences between the mics seem to decrease as you get far from the piano. Thank you for the info! IRCAM Spat is really interesting but as you said... 1400EUR O.O and MIR is not so cheap as well If Modartt released this fx, I'd buy it for sure

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Re: Mic position modelling

Is there any theoric concept of a super microphone?
Somehing that is  possible just in theory but no technology reached that level...

Moddeling could create that...