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Topic: Future pianos to model

A continuation of the line of thought in the Pianoteq 5 Impressions thread:

In defense of the Baldwin, partly for the nice balanced, present midrange:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzu_eWKDYo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOow9ud-Uzo

The later Baldwins were a little more tangy, but this small one has a nice, well defined midrange for popular music, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8BXM8hgc_0

Note the text below the first video--"This is the same model of Baldwin played by...Liberace and Ray Charles." Somehow,  the mention of Liberace and Ray Charles in the same sentence, which should probably make me cringe, makes me instead want this piano more. Marian McPartland used Baldwins on her Piano Jazz radio show, as well. Wikepedia lists Igor Stravinsky, Béla Bartók, and Leonard Bernstein, too, and says that before the company's demise, it was second in popularity to Steinway in the US, if I read the text correctly.

Edit: Another not-well-recorded Baldwin that still shows its strengths around the middle of the keyboard. A unison or two is off, but still...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzUxkcoVpRY

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Re: Future pianos to model

I'd like to see a Yanni-style yamaha model. Though the new D4 does have a little bit of that sound quality.

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Re: Future pianos to model

G5 (G4 if we count first octave as zero) sounded a bit synthetic in the first vídeo, listening to 0:48


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I found the sound good, but a bit heavy (specialy the 4th vídeo), like had some aspect of vintage piano.

Is that tue Baldwin is the last trully american grand piano factory in activity?

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Re: Future pianos to model

Beto-Music wrote:

I found the sound good, but a bit heavy (specialy the 4th vídeo), like had some aspect of vintage piano.

Is that tue [sic] Baldwin is the last trully american grand piano factory in activity?


Baldwin has been sold to Gibson Guitar, who manufactures its piano instruments in China.   


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Re: Future pianos to model

......what happened to my post?

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njaremko wrote:

......what happened to my post?

Looks like you actually posted it in the thread "Dev Question"

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Re: Future pianos to model

I'd actually like to see some extra tools provided, for "prepared" pianos ..
I'd love to have a proper "tack" upright piano, and, while it is possible to coax something along those lines already (but far from perfect ,), it would be great to simply have a "Tack" option added to the Hammer section. (Of course, I'd have no objection to a separate "Tack Piano.ptq" )

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Re: Future pianos to model

Sad thing...

I found a vídeo explaining the Baldwin pianos it's only really good until the late 80's or so.

jcfelice88keys wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

I found the sound good, but a bit heavy (specialy the 4th vídeo), like had some aspect of vintage piano.

Is that tue [sic] Baldwin is the last trully american grand piano factory in activity?


Baldwin has been sold to Gibson Guitar, who manufactures its piano instruments in China.   


Cheers,
Joe

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Re: Future pianos to model

Would the first Steinway model be a good choice for the vintage piano collection of pianoteq?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir8eG3CMTY8


Some said the first Steinway wa sbuilt in a kitchen of Heinrich Englehard Steinway's home.

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Re: Future pianos to model

Here's a suggestion: Mr Pepper's Jet Piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNmzEzecuB0

(I haven't tried to emulate this yet - I know I need tremelo though


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vic_france wrote:
njaremko wrote:

......what happened to my post?

Looks like you actually posted it in the thread "Dev Question"

Thanks lol, not quite sure how that happened

A Ravenscroft 275 would be amazing:

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Then there's the standard list: Bosendorfer 290 Imperial, Yamaha CFX, Stuart & Sons, Fazioli, etc...

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Re: Future pianos to model

It occurs to me that this thread could be considered somewhat crass--Modartt releases V5 with several new pianos, and then we start asking for other pianos. I hope that it instead is taken as intended. The current pianos sound so good that we want more.

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skip wrote:

Here's a suggestion: Mr Pepper's Jet Piano: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNmzEzecuB0

(I haven't tried to emulate this yet - I know I need tremelo though


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I would have thought, using the Wurli as a starting point? "W1-Overdriven" preset, reduce the distortion, add some mid EQ.. already got the tremolo

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Re: Future pianos to model

I would like to see the Hohner Pianet N

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feline1 wrote:

I would like to see the Hohner Pianet N

+1

And I would like to see a Toy Piano. (I'm not kidding)

http://youtu.be/7T9yNIilvw8

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Re: Future pianos to model

Jake Johnson wrote:

It occurs to me that this thread could be considered somewhat crass--Modartt releases V5 with several new pianos, and then we start asking for other pianos. I hope that it instead is taken as intended. The current pianos sound so good that we want more.

Indeed!  I'm very grateful for the refinements that come with each new version.  But I enjoy this new "wish list" also, which is basically a bunch of satisfied customers saying what new instruments we'd be very happy to pay more to add, thus giving Modartt ideas for how to earn more from past Pianoteq purchasers!

Along those lines, I would very much like to see a

Mason & Hamlin BB grand

(preferably from the 1920s, even if rebuilt).  The M&H construction differs from Steinway -- it is substantially heavier, and includes their tension resonator and crown retention systems -- resulting in a significantly different sound.  There's a fullness to the sound, particularly in the couple of octaves below Middle C, that make it my favorite piano to play.

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Re: Future pianos to model

Brian Culbertson uses a Mason & Hamlin, and I really like his sound. I don't hear lots of rich harmonics or anything like that - it's often a very mellow sound. However, it's so buttery smooth and just sounds excellent. (the only reason I know about him is that he's done some Roland demos

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