Could you add the v4 D4 to v5, please? (Page 1 of 2)

I'm not sure this is the case. Which is exactly the reason why Pianoteq 5 does NOT overwrite Pianoteq 4 and you can have them side by side. So, use v4 for what it's good, and use v5 for what it's better than v4.

Philippe - thanks for K1.ptq

I have a question regarding sorting of models: is it sorted by date of the model or something? Because the current sorting is not alphabetic, which I would find much nicer. It's like this right now:

Grand D4
Grand K2
Grand Blüthner
Grand YC5
Grand K1
Grand C3
Pleyel
Erard
Bechstein
CP-80
Grand M3
Upright U4

This would make more sense to me:

Grand Blüthner
Grand C3
Grand D4
Grand M3
Grand K1
Grand K2
Grand YC5
Upright U4

KiViR instruments should be in their own section (just like Kremsegg models are). CP-80 is a hybrid instrument and I would sort it under Electric Pianos...

I see. It does make sense when you put it that way, I guess. Optional alphabetic sorting (plus KiViR in a separate section and CP-80 in El. Pianos) possible to add on a lazy programming day?

My reasoning is that after some time the user gets acquainted to all the models and knows instinctively which one is better for what purpose... and in that situation IMHO alphabetic sorting takes the cake, where everything is nicely ordered as one would expect?

I have the same problem here...

Many thanks for the reply, Philippe. I imagine you are not getting much rest, with all of the demands of the version 5 rollout!

I understand the similarities you see, given your familiarity with the modeling.  But I only have my ears to depend on, and they hear a very significant difference.  Do you really not hear it, even in this small clip (where all other parameters are held constant)?
https://soundcloud.com/duggadugdug/pian...ion-5-test
The first segment is from v.4.5, the second is from v5.  Those differences underscore how different the v4 and v5 instruments are, at least from the player's end.

I also want to underscore that my interest and my query are not about the D4 model in general (I don't doubt that the new model as a whole is more sophisticated, and may be more "true" to the source piano).  Rather, they are based on my very strong affinity for that particular D4-based FXP (and the minor variations derived from it) which represents a "sweet spot" to my ears, and sounds/feels substantially more "real" than any other D4 preset from either of the last two generations, which otherwise still sound synthetic to me. (And I don't doubt that my perceptions of "realism" are shaped by my affinity for the particular sound and dynamics of my grandfather's Mason & Hamlin grand that I learned to play on).  I have so far been unable to approximate that sound/perceived realism with the v5 instrument, and so find myself gravitating back to Pianoteq 4, but would prefer to have all of the v.5 improvements in the other instruments and parameters available also.

Which is exactly what I'm hoping can happen with the version 4.5 D4, even if it has to be renamed. (Though I really wish you had named the new one D5, for clarity and the ease of old D4 FXP access.)  I guess that this thread and poll will help indicate whether I am alone in this wish.  :-)

Thank you again for your work on this, and for your continued responsiveness to your buying/playing public.  :-)

Best,
Doug

as noted in my other thread, i think the YC5 is in a similar situation.

ive only just noticed in the changelog, it,was also completely rewritten.
again, undoubtly better, but different  , so why not YC6 ?
( ie take the same approach as K1-> K2, with YC5 in legacy?)

I wonder if legacy instruments cannot be protected by licence ( as yc5 would require) ? (ie they are all free)

duggadugdug, could you share the midi file from your test ?
Could it be a problem (or bug) with your configuration or the recording? It does not seems right at all.

I think the biggest difference is mic positioning here - v5 is not so bass-heavy (which I find more pleasant, personally).

Thanks Philippe, it works fine now

That is why Pianoteq 5 does not overwrite v4.5 - so you can use your v4.5 D4 alongside the new v5 one.

So open them as plugins in a DAW... you can load them both at once there without ANY soundcard or MIDI driver issues.

BTW there is no C4 in Pianoteq 4.

But Steinway B do not sounds like D4-Jr (let's can actual V5 D4 as sênior) or even like a real Seinway D. 
At least a sampled Steinway-B  I played once was very diferent.

Did you notice the lenght of the K2? It's 211 cm. And how long is a Steinway B?  
Some people say it's the ideal length...

I agree completely, bebop -- that very octave is where I most miss the v4.5 D4, particularly while playing jazz.  And while I've enjoyed trying and modifying the various FXPs, mics, and parameters in version 5, I still find myself going back to my personal FXPs for the D4 in version 4.5 when I want to play and record.  While I understand that others' preferences may vary, I don't think there's any question that the 4.5 and 5 sound very different, particularly with the FXP parameters I prefer.  That sound sample I linked earlier not only sounds different -- you can even see a difference in the amplitude/time display on the Soundcloud preview.

EvilDragon: I don't find your response -- just keep and run the old version, too -- particularly satisfying.  I will of course do that so long as I have to.  But why shouldn't I want the expanded mic functionality and other improvements of v.5 for my favorite piano model?

There is no technical reason why the v.4.5 D4 cannot be included in version 5 as a legacy instrument, and I hope that Modartt eventually will do so (even if they need to charge me a bit for that option).

FWIW, I was playing D4 Pop in V4 and thought how nice it sounded, and wondered why I hadn't noticed this in V5. I went back to V5 to double check, and sure enough, I didn't like it as much as V4.  V5 certainly sounds brighter, but V4 sounds richer and just better to me. I am not intimately familiar with all the D4 presets in either version, but I have voted "Yes" based on just this one test with just this preset.   I also have not tried to tweak the V5 version of D4 Pop to sound more like V4 yet.

Greg.

No one is doubting the excellence of the v5 D4.  I've been trying it a lot and -- per your appeal -- will give it a few weeks to grow on me.  I do not doubt that it is technically superior in many ways, but you are arguing with my ears and preferences. :-D

Do you at least agree that it sounds/feels significantly different than the v4.5 model?  It could be that my tastes are facile and unsophisticated, but I still find myself preferring my favorite v4.5 D4 FXPs while playing.

C'est comme je voudrais une orange, et vous soutiennent que je veux vraiment une mandarine.  ;-)

I voted "Yes" (but with the following observation ). Btw, this is also valid for the YC5…
When using Pianoteq as a plugin, I am perfectly happy to keep Pianoteq 4 installed alongside Pianoteq 5 (but of course, doesn't solve the situation for people using Standalone)
It isn't because v5 is now out, that v4 has suddenly stopped sounding wonderful too! (but, of course, "different")
If you wonderful guys at Pianoteq don't wish to make these prior instruments available in v5, I would love for you to at least make the following commitment..
The great powers, Microsoft and, even more so, Apple, have this annoying habit of updating their O.S., often making it necessary for software developers (such as yourselves) to update their software, to remain compatible.
So.. please don't drop support for Pianoteq 4, if it should become necessary to update for a future O.S.
Thank you for these wonderful instruments!

Look at the K2 string length

Dear all,
OK, we will make a D4 legacy version (called D4v4) available in the user area legacy section. Some work is required here though, we hope to have it ready by the end of the week. Thank you for your great interest in Pianoteq.

Wonderful! Thank you so much
Question already, does its new name mean that it won't read the old User presets? (because the v5 D4 *does* read them .. I am just wondering if, before too many User presets get written for the new D4, maybe *it* should be the one to be renamed?)
(and.. pretty please, while I am begging .. same for the old YC5, when you have time?)

Exactly, you will have to load the old User preset, which will load on the new D4, then freeze all parameters, then change to D4v4, save your new preset, and you are done.

Dear all,
D4v4 is now available in the user area, download section, click on the 'legacy instruments' link at the bottom of the page. Please read my previous post for using old fxps.

Ha! Did I say that? I am confused...

Now (daring to ask! ) Any chance of doing the same for the v4 YC5, please? Then it really *would be* the perfect solution
It was very interesting actually having the v4 and v5 version of the D4 side by side.. and, while of course totally thrilled with the v5 D4, there is still something really lovely about the v4 version .
And, as for the v4 YC5.. I've built some presets that I'm very happy with for it, which of course have a very different result in the new YC5. So.. pleeeezze?