Topic: It's May! Getting closer to Pianoteq 5!

I read that Pianoteq 5 could possibly be released by the end of May.  Two "Cinco de Mayos" in one month!
Pass me the cervesa! 

Last edited by Studiocat (02-05-2014 13:24)

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I can't wait!

I really hope Version 5 will surpass the libraries also in the last few bits, especially in the focus of the sound and the last bit of brilliance. For playing I already prefer PTQ4.5 over any library but for recording I still hear a difference in sound.

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Hey, let the guys work.

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This could help the time go by -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdFR1p6qc_w

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I'm imagining what they could do in Chopin time, if a pianist tried to play too much fast, as fast as he could, and end up with a complicated tendinites.

custral wrote:

This could help the time go by -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdFR1p6qc_w

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Ispilidna wrote:

For playing I already prefer PTQ4.5 over any library but for recording I still hear a difference in sound.

???

I surely hope we will never ever stop hearing differences in sound when comparing real pianos, pianoteq, and pianoteq's competitors! That's what makes musical instruments interesting.

But I agree with you if you mean "something" important is still missing in the Pianoteq sound(s). Whatever that is...

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yes, that's what I mean.

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Just wondering what adjectives the detractors will come up with THIS time

"Metallic" has been popular in the past, and "Not WOODY enough".

There seems to be a spectrum that ranges from
Tinny -> metallic -> Bell like
corresponding approximately to
Horrid -> almost OK -> Nice   

Maybe there will be some converts ? 
It is all SO VERY subjective - I guess that is OK

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With each major PT version there seems to be more converts.   At the same time complete acceptance of anything is rare.   I am eager to hear the revision to the soundboard (mentioned in the video).

I am looking forward to some new word on the next version.   I check here each day hoping for a trickle of information; or a sample (hint).

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For some people, anti-pianoteq fanatics, even if you get a true recording of a real high quality grand piano, and create a mp3 and say it's recorded from pianoteq, these people will claim that sounds artificial.

These people will never be pleased with pianoteq upgrades no matter how good.

scorpio wrote:

With each major PT version there seems to be more converts.   At the same time complete acceptance of anything is rare.   I am eager to hear the revision to the soundboard (mentioned in the video).

I am looking forward to some new word on the next version.   I check here each day hoping for a trickle of information; or a sample (hint).

Last edited by Beto-Music (08-05-2014 16:29)

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tractor_music wrote:

Just wondering what adjectives the detractors will come up with THIS time

"Metallic" has been popular in the past, and "Not WOODY enough".

There seems to be a spectrum that ranges from
Tinny -> metallic -> Bell like
corresponding approximately to
Horrid -> almost OK -> Nice   

Maybe there will be some converts ? 
It is all SO VERY subjective - I guess that is OK

Isn't it ironic that the term bell-like is described as a good thing ... when, in fact, bell-like overtones are the result of inharmonicity on a piano, whose strings are not long enough!!!

Cheers,

Joe

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jcfelice88keys wrote:
tractor_music wrote:

Just wondering what adjectives the detractors will come up with THIS time

"Metallic" has been popular in the past, and "Not WOODY enough".

There seems to be a spectrum that ranges from
Tinny -> metallic -> Bell like
corresponding approximately to
Horrid -> almost OK -> Nice   

Maybe there will be some converts ? 
It is all SO VERY subjective - I guess that is OK

Isn't it ironic that the term bell-like is described as a good thing ... when, in fact, bell-like overtones are the result of inharmonicity on a piano, whose strings are not long enough!!!

Cheers,

Joe

I would have thought that bell-like overtones were the result of audible partials, but not inharmonicity, because shorter pianos are not more bell-like, but they are more inharmonic. Notwithstanding, I do recognize that you know more about tuning pianos than I do. I've only read enough to be slightly puzzled by your post.

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Beto-Music wrote:

For some people, anti-pianoteq fanatics, even if you get a true recording of a real high quality grand piano, and create a mp3 and say it's recorded from pianoteq, these people will claim that sounds artificial.

These people will never be pleased with pianoteq upgrades no matter how good.

Well, I think the way to convince those people is to first tell them to pick out piano recordings that they really like a lot, and then have Pianoteq reproduce that tone, and then give them a blindfold test. If they can't tell them apart, or can't say with statistical significance which one they prefer, that might go a long way to having them embrace Pianoteq. (but even then, when they start using Pianoteq more, they'll still find deficiencies, either real or perceived ;^)

Greg.

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Look round II. Vsti comparison:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=3250

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Beto-Music wrote:

For some people, anti-pianoteq fanatics, even if you get a true recording of a real high quality grand piano, and create a mp3 and say it's recorded from pianoteq, these people will claim that sounds artificial.

These people will never be pleased with pianoteq upgrades no matter how good.

I have followed PTQ since version 1.
This is a fascinating project, the scientific achievment, the personnality of the creator and his history, everything is appealing in this project.

However PTQ 1 was quite unbearable. When you downloaded the demo and tryed it, despite the terrible sound there was a quite immediate fun playing it. However, listening to the demo was a not so good experience, at the point i was thinking "how can people buy a 250€ product for such a result".

PTQ2 made some improvement, but you could still recognize with the first or second note that it was pianoteq.

PTQ3 was again better, but not to the point to make me bite. However, i was often playing the demo, and when you are acustomized to the imperfect sound and forget it, it's very enjoyable.

Then came the stage version which convinced me to buy it.

PTQ4 was better but quite not there yet, and a nice commecial tactic by Modartt (releasing the stage version after the standard one) made me upgrade to standard.

For me, the Bluthner is quite an achievment, but there is still something missing.

I'm still not 100% convinced by the sound, however i don't play anymore the sampled libraries and i guess modeling is the (only ?) future.

Someone said someday that we are remembering the artefacts from the old versions and are "trained" to recognize them in the new versions, i guess he is not far from truth, but i guess in a blind listening test i could be able to make the difference quite easily (depends on the velocity an octaves played, there are some notes that i still find easy to spot). The comparison posted in the other thread is very interesting and it's not always obvious to find Pianoteq, however the preset is so flooded under "deep cave" reverb, that you don't really hear the sound anymore.

I'm very enthusiastic with the new Version 5 and i hope i won't be dissapointed, however the developers needs to keep listening for the critical voices since the 100% supporters who find it perfect do not help the project to advance.  When you are playing Pianoteq 100% of the time you tend to don't hear its problems anymore.

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Vjau, I agree with you very much.
There is still some few things to improve, and the golden ears fair critics are helpfull.
Also there are many old models to improve, and V5 it's working on it.

Unlike CGI creature on films (that only increased in number but rarely on quality), pianoteq evolved a lot in the last year. After U4 the optimism it's very high.

I refered more about people with complaim too much without really have ability to wel dinstinguish the sound.

But for me the comparisom it's quite valid for music listening. Of course if you play just a short scale note by note, very slowly, you may find in few notes that it's pianoteq.  Anyway it's not a usual way people play piano.

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Studiocat wrote:

I read that Pianoteq 5 could possibly be released by the end of May.  Two "Cinco de Mayos" in one month!
Pass me the cervesa! 


I find it interesting that someone posts an unverified (at least as far as I know) rumor about a release at the end of May and with no official response from Pianoteq there is this entire thread with excitement about that soon-to-be-released version 5.

I also find it interesting that Studiocat (the original author of this rumor) has made no further post within this thread.

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"Just a short post to let you all know that we are as eager as you to see version 5 released! There are still quite a few details to fix, but we should definitely be ready before the end of May."

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic...86#p931186

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And there is this post too:  http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic...37#p931137

"Regarding news, we only post news when we have something new to tell... smile I can promise that we will post something next month..."

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scorpio wrote:

And there is this post too:  http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic...37#p931137

"Regarding news, we only post news when we have something new to tell... smile I can promise that we will post something next month..."

Pascal wrote:

"Just a short post to let you all know that we are as eager as you to see version 5 released! There are still quite a few details to fix, but we should definitely be ready before the end of May."

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic...86#p931186

Philippe Giullaume's posts are precisely what you could call an "official response from Pianoteq", since he's PTQ CEO and founder

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ddascher wrote:
Studiocat wrote:

I read that Pianoteq 5 could possibly be released by the end of May.  Two "Cinco de Mayos" in one month!
Pass me the cervesa! 


I find it interesting that someone posts an unverified (at least as far as I know) rumor about a release at the end of May and with no official response from Pianoteq there is this entire thread with excitement about that soon-to-be-released version 5.

I also find it interesting that Studiocat (the original author of this rumor) has made no further post within this thread.

  I meant no harm!    I was only expressing my excitement regarding an "official" comment that Pianoteq 5 had a possible realease time near the end of May.  Look for Philippe's post in the "Pianoteq 5" thread.
   -Perry-  ( studiocat )

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Well, I stand corrected ... or at least more informed.

I will now also look forward to Pianoteq5 .... soon ?

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We hope to be ready next week. Thanks for your patience!

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Sweet!  I will begin chilling the cervesa!   

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And I will hope that there's a reasonably-priced "upgrade path" for people (like me) who bought version 4.5 . . .

.        Charles

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Philippe Guillaume wrote:

We hope to be ready next week. Thanks for your patience!

What a marvelous news! Can't wait

Philippe, one question: for example, if i buy upgruade for PT5 and want to have both of them (4v and 5v) on the same computer, shall I use 2 activations or only one?

Pianoteq 6 Pro (D4, K2, Blüthner, Model B, Grotrian, Ant.Petrof)
Studiologic SL88Grand, Steinberg UR22mkII

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Kridlatec wrote:

Philippe, one question: for example, if i buy upgruade for PT5 and want to have both of them (4v and 5v) on the same computer, shall I use 2 activations or only one?

You will use only one.

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cpcohen wrote:

And I will hope that there's a reasonably-priced "upgrade path" for people (like me) who bought version 4.5 . . .

.        Charles

The path will be the same as the current path from previous versions (1 to 3) to version 4: same conditions (in particular, free upgrade for licences purchased during the past 12 months) and same price.

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Philippe Guillaume wrote:

free upgrade for licences purchased during the past 12 months

Is thgis true for STAGE version as well ?

Merci.

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Xain wrote:
Philippe Guillaume wrote:

free upgrade for licences purchased during the past 12 months

Is thgis true for STAGE version as well ?

Merci.

Yes.

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Je sors ma carte bleue du portefeuille histoire d'être fin prêt le moment venu...

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I hope Moedartt take their time with all the patience that is need, without be influenced by pressure.

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Beto-Music wrote:

I hope Moedartt take their time with all the patience that is need, without be influenced by pressure.

Well, since it's a pressure they created in the first place, by showing a pre-release version at Musikmesse (that must have already been a beta : I don't think they were showing an alpha at such a big event), I guess they're more than ready to bear the pressure

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I have observed than most of Pianoteq releases happen on a Wednesday, so i know when to press F5 repeatedly

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Philippe Guillaume wrote:

You will use only one.

Thanks!

vjau wrote:

I have observed than most of Pianoteq releases happen on a Wednesday, so i know when to press F5 repeatedly

) You may just install Rss feeder for your browser and then subscribe to pianoteq rss. And you will be one of the first

Last edited by Kridlatec (18-05-2014 18:39)
Pianoteq 6 Pro (D4, K2, Blüthner, Model B, Grotrian, Ant.Petrof)
Studiologic SL88Grand, Steinberg UR22mkII

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If it was promissed to tuesday it would never be realeased.

That's way they realese on wednesday.

;-)


vjau wrote:

I have observed than most of Pianoteq releases happen on a Wednesday, so i know when to press F5 repeatedly