Topic: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

Hello everyone!

I've been using the Pianoteq 4.5 demo for a while and I'm really amazed about what it can do. Eventually I'll definitely buy the Stage version. I'd love to get the Standard version but as I'm on a budget, that won't be happening so soon.

Being on a budget is what brings me to my actual question. I'm by no means an actual pianist. I've had a few lessons in my life and play several other instruments, but that's about it. Anyway, I've been implementing more and more piano into my own compositions, but playing them via the crappy Alesis midi keyboard which I own has become unbearable. Plus, I'd like to actually improve my piano playing technique eventually. Hence, I decided that I would like to buy a piano with weighted keys. The maximum amount that I'm able to spend is 400-500$.

So far, two models are on my list.

a) the Studiologic SL-990 Pro
b) the Yamaha P-35

Does anyone of you have either of these models and could give me some insight on how they perform with Pianoteq? Or would you happen to have any other recommendations within my budget?

Thank you very much in advance!

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

Hello lenuam!
taste and choice are really a personal matter and of course experience.
Since you're using Pianoteq, you're probably not looking for the sound bank in any of these controllers.
And from a personal experience, none of my controllers gave me hard times performing with Pianoteq.
What makes the difference between them is probably the touch response.
So what I suggest is, go to the music shop and try them. Nothing beats a good touch and feel of any keyboard, and you will notice immediately the difference.
Check this out, it could help you out (at least for a start)
http://mybestmidikeyboard.com/usb-midi-...controller

it will cost you nothing to dream, and everything not to..

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

Welcome to the forum. 
Another DP I would suggest you look at is the Casio Privia PX-150. 
I use a PX-780, and like it a lot.  I think the PX-150 would have the same action and is a lot less and should be in that price range.

Bill

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

Another vote for Casio !

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No words can replace the chance to go and test yourself several models on a store.

If you live in a city with a good store with sereval digital pianos for sale, you could get a leptop (with pianoteq instaled )with you and a MIDI cable, and try to play the pianos models yourself.

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I've used different models of Yamaha using the same action as the P35.  Compared to recommendations here for a Casio PX150, the P35 is a lighter/faster action.  I personally would prefer a heavier action because my kids take their lessons on an acoustic so the adjustment is smaller.

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

Another vote for the PX-150.  It has a "MIDI-via-USB" port that works fine with Pianoteq. 

If you use it, you should set the "MIDI dialect" in Pianoteq to "High-Resolution".  The PX-150 (and PX-350, and probably others in the line) have two-byte MIDI velocity, rather than one byte.

.          Charles

PS -- bias -- I own a PX-350.   IMHO, its action is more "piano-like" than the Yamaha GHS action of the P105 (and lower-end models).

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Wow, thank you so much for the warm welcome and all your responses! Really appreciated!

I did not really think of Casio before, thank you very much for mentioning the PX-150. It does seem like a very good choice indeed. Moreover, I think I would also prefer a harder action which resembles an actual piano a bit more. However, here in Germany, the PX-150 exceeds my desired budget quite little bit...the cheapest price I could find was 566€/780$.

What do you think about the Korg SP-170? Just happened to see that one while doing some further research.
The Studiologic SL-990 Pro seems to have lost the race already for me since I read it doesn't offer any half-pedaling...

So the choice is between Yamaha P-35/Casio PX-150 and possibly the Korg SP-170.
I think I'll really just take my laptop, audio interface and a midi cable with me to the store and try these models extensively...it's just kind of embarrassing because my playing skills are so limited.

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

vjau wrote:

Another vote for Casio !

I know the CDP200 from Casio, it's a good keyboard but if you can buy a Studiologic Numanano it's really, really better.
The price is most expensive in new but in bargain it's possible to find this keyboard in your budget.

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

Another vote for the Casio PX-150. Here's a Keyboard Magazine of the PX-350 http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/casi...50/150865. The PX-150 has the identical key bed and grand piano voice.
The Casio has three sensors while the other keyboards you are looking at have two. The Casio uses high resolution MIDI while the other keyboards you are looking at don't.
I'm not sure if Pianoteq is capable of receiving high resolution MIDI, but this is the thing of the future. 16,256 velocity values instead of 127.
You get the ivory-feel keys. You get the light weight - 25 lbs.
To get anything that surpasses this, you will have to spend over $1000.

I have the Casio PX-350. I'd like to buy the Kawai VPC-1, but it's not in my budget.

Pianoteq 6 Std, Bluthner, Model B, Grotian, YC5, Hohner, Kremsegg #1, Electric Pianos. Roland FP-90, Windows 10 quad core, Xenyx Q802USB, Yamaha HS8 monitors, Audio Technica
ATH-M50x headphones.

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+1, happy owner of a PX350

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

You might look into keyboards costing two or three times as much as your budget -- as new keyboards; then look on ebay to see if you can acquire those higher initially priced 'boards at a cost within your current budget.

Cheers,

Joe

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Those are definitely some striking arguments in favor of the Casio...hmmm, guess I'll have to save a little more, haha.

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

lenuam wrote:

Those are definitely some striking arguments in favor of the Casio...hmmm, guess I'll have to save a little more, haha.

You said your budget was $400-500. The street price for the PX-150 is $499, and I'm sure you can find new ones cheaper and used ones for even less.

The PX-150 is a good choice is you are using it as a controller for Pianoteq. If you are not using it as a controller, it has a few minuses. No dedicated audio outs, just two headphone outputs. To perform a lot of functions like transpose and operating the metronome, you have to use a combination of buttons and keys.

Pianoteq 6 Std, Bluthner, Model B, Grotian, YC5, Hohner, Kremsegg #1, Electric Pianos. Roland FP-90, Windows 10 quad core, Xenyx Q802USB, Yamaha HS8 monitors, Audio Technica
ATH-M50x headphones.

Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano

beakybird wrote:
lenuam wrote:

Those are definitely some striking arguments in favor of the Casio...hmmm, guess I'll have to save a little more, haha.

You said your budget was $400-500. The street price for the PX-150 is $499, and I'm sure you can find new ones cheaper and used ones for even less.

The PX-150 is a good choice is you are using it as a controller for Pianoteq. If you are not using it as a controller, it has a few minuses. No dedicated audio outs, just two headphone outputs. To perform a lot of functions like transpose and operating the metronome, you have to use a combination of buttons and keys.

True, it's just that it appears to be a bit more expensive here in Germany. But the extra charge in comparison to the Yamaha or the Korg isn't huge by any means and seems to be more than justified by all the features you guys mentioned.

Yeah I suppose I'd really use it mainly as a controller, I guess none of the digital/stage pianos in this price range are perfect on their own. I guess I would only use it on its own when I don't feel like using all the gear tech required to run Pianoteq.

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beakybird wrote:

. . .
I'm not sure if Pianoteq is capable of receiving high resolution MIDI, but this is the thing of the future. 16,256 velocity values instead of 127.
. . . .

Yes, Pianoteq receives the "high-resolution" MIDI velocity values -- they show as "35.84", etc.

Whether _any_ pianist can reliably control his touch to more than 127 (low-resolution) values -- I suspect not.  So the "feature" may have no effect on how well the music comes out.

.    Charles

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For "control", it's doubtful anybody pianist can do more than 10-15 levels much less 127.

But what having more levels gives you is the randomness of an acoustic.  While you can't repetitively hit volume 35.3 over and over and over again, it does mean it won't continually play at 33/33/33/33 when only a precision assembly-line robot could repeat the keys in that manner.

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