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Re: Could Pianoteq do this:
Another video:
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Re: Could Pianoteq do this:
I'd certainly like to see a Pianoteq version of that. Saw it elsewhere and considered posting here; was only browsing on my phone without headphones at the time, so am glad for the reminder now that I can actually hear it properly.
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Re: Could Pianoteq do this:
Incredible...
I supose it's possible to model such instrument, if Modartt get access to the instrument itself for analyze in details, measuring and recording etc....
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Yeah, it's been in the news . I think a decent VST synthesizer and the right programming could do the trick. Would you like to wait specifically for Pianoteq? This is more a string instrument in the sound creation, even though the "user interface" is a keyboard.
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The user interface is a keyboard, and most of the algorithms for the synthesis would be similar to Pianoteq, and I don't think there are many others with such refined physical modelling synthesis. It's mostly just a different type of excitation on the strings, but I think something like this would be considerably easier to model than cello etc, primarily because the interface is similar. Anyway, there's a decent amount of research literature on that kind of friction stick-slip type string excitation to draw on I think.
Having said that, I bet the mechanics of the keyboard are considerably qualitatively different from that of a piano. Would probably work better with poly-aftertouch. I'd be interested in knowing a bit more detail about how the mechanism does work.
I'm sure it would take a fair amount of work to make a well-refined model, but it'd definitely be doable.
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Re: Could Pianoteq do this:
http://www.artsjournal.com/slippeddisc/...ption.html
Before we all get too excited, read this.
But I'd still buy a Pianoteq version, if Modartt made one.
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yes, we don't really care if it's a Da Vinci instrument or not as long as it sounds good, and it sure does ! Great !
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I wonder if Energy sliders could be used to simulate bowing...
Hard work and guts!
- Beto-Music
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Uhhnnn ????
Do you mean to use sliders to controll the effect of the bowing emulation ?
Crazy Idea Moment: What about make a piano body (Harp, soundboard, case etc) use this princple, like cello, of bowing over the strings???
Or use digital possibilities of modelling to allow two effects in the same physical space of the string, like the effecttwo strings in the same space, one hammered and other vitrating like if was bowed by a arc?
I said it was a crazy idea moment...
EvilDragon wrote:
I wonder if Energy sliders could be used to simulate bowing...
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Re: Could Pianoteq do this:
A bit off this topic...
But what is the status of value for ornamented instruments today?
Most grand pianos today are just flat polished, with no ornament at all.
I was wondering if there is people interested today in very ornamented grand pianos and harpsichords.
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Certainly it would be great to have this amazing instrument within the KIViR bundle. It uses the similar principle of sound oscillating as, say, a hurdy-gurdy. As I know, there are the two basic algorithms for modeling of acoustic objects. The first one is called «free oscillation» and is used for emulating such sounds as pianos, harpsichords, guitars etc. It suggests that hitting or plucking excites the sound object. Another algorithm is called «self-oscillation». It is used for reproducing sounds of such instruments as bowed strings, wind instruments and so on. It requires bringing energy continuously for resonance maintenance. The algorithms considerably differ from each other.
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Hmmm, somewhere I got the idea that a lot of the difficulty in piano emulation is in getting the attack right.
This instrument seems to have very little "attack", it is certainly not a percussive instrument, so I don't quite understand the enthusiasm to jump on Pianoteq as a good starting point.
Who does emulation of strings well ?
They would have a better chance of getting to this sooner, assuming they synthesize and don't just sample.
There was an e-bow a long time ago for exciting metal guitar strings, the BIG selling point was that it could provide unlimited sustain, though the attack was quite soft.
I imagine something like that could produce similar sounds, but that would be for folk wanting a PHYSICAL instrument.
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Beto-Music wrote:
A bit off this topic...
But what is the status of value for ornamented instruments today?
Most grand pianos today are just flat polished, with no ornament at all.
I was wondering if there is people interested today in very ornamented grand pianos and harpsichords.
I can SO imagine that in an ultra "modern" house.
IKEA and automation everywhere else and then... Ta Dahh... the music room.
It would be the centre piece. Amid amps, keyboards, mixers, drum sets, I would probably have a disco ball too, just for good taste (-:
I would dress appropriately, full eighteenth century from the ankles up, with rope sandals or running shoes.
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Háa háaa...
Like this?
tractor_music wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:A bit off this topic...
But what is the status of value for ornamented instruments today?
Most grand pianos today are just flat polished, with no ornament at all.
I was wondering if there is people interested today in very ornamented grand pianos and harpsichords.
I can SO imagine that in an ultra "modern" house.
IKEA and automation everywhere else and then... Ta Dahh... the music room.
It would be the centre piece. Amid amps, keyboards, mixers, drum sets, I would probably have a disco ball too, just for good taste (-:I would dress appropriately, full eighteenth century from the ankles up, with rope sandals or running shoes.
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Beto-Music wrote:
Most grand pianos today are just flat polished, with no ornament at all.
And the ones that do get ornamented often get ornamented incorrectly. Maybe this can help rectify the situation:
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Beto-Music wrote; "Most grand pianos today are just flat polished, with no ornament at all."
There is a poorly "ornamented" Steinway at Steinert in Boston Mass right now - or there was a few weeks ago.
About 6 1/2 ft at a guess.
Yellow (OK "gold") looped trim around the case vaguely reminiscent of a rope line at a cinema.
It may be in the form of a chain or rope, I really didn't want to look at it - so didn't.
SO bad I didn't even touch the keys - which is unusual for ME, heck I even touch hotel Baldwin keys when I pass by one, just for a little tinkle - don't we ALL ?
(-:
They might as well have thrown scrambled egg at it, at least that would have had some appeal as
artistic randomness.
I vote for "flat black satin", the mirror black "French polish" doesn't appeal to me.