Sustenato & Sustain Feature

According to the Options>MIDI page, Pianoteq sets itself up with Sustain : 64cc yes, Sostenuto : 66cc yes.

And with nada (zilch, unassigned, begorra) : 11cc never mentioned. That seems to indicate progress would lie more along the line sostenuto : 66cc, and no-progress, no-result to lie along a line sostenuto : 11cc.

At least it's worthwhile trying to get along without it, since no-result indeed seems to be the upshot of with.

ADDED: unaccustomed as I am to doing such things, isn't a way of re-assigning this controller (66) something like right-click the sostenuto number-entry in the Options>MIDI>Minimalistic list, then choosing 11 from the resulting popup list (control change sub-list, NOT program change)?

If that works for full-feature sostenuto, keep it for your own pedal play (while still using this pedal), switch back for real-world MIDI replay, or when you get a real-world pedal. Otherwise (doesn't work), forget 11cc.

MORE: in hundreds of hours of virtuoso MIDI, I've never seen the Sostenuto pedal Pianoteq shows go down. Not once.

Yet THIS DEMO shows how useful it is. Go figure.

Yes, changing midi options is easy. Still wish there were a yes/no option to have pianoteq remember/automatically load the last used midi options.... but that's another issue.

What i want to understand is whether on a real piano the sustain being present (ie strings undamped) will mean i can depress the sustenato pedal and have the last played notes prior to sustenato being pressed go on sustaining. An example. You undamp with sustain pedal, play g d and b, now press and hold f, depress the sustenato pedal, and then press a and e. Goal: get more notes sustaining in contrast to dampened notes struck after sustenato, than easily physically playable by you.

I get that one SHOULD BE ABLE to play 10 and hold notes or something and then press sustenato....but i can't do it yet. I was hoping pianoteq would have a trick to accomplish it, like a modified sustenato that only dampens what isn't sustained from before. But could a real piano do the above example? No, right? Cuz if you have sustain depressed sustenato won't work to damp anything??????????

Correct. I have no real piano with sostenuto and never have had, so have to rely on authority, as HERE.

It's a discussion on regulating Steinways between members of the Piano Technicians Gild, who should know Steinways (as if any venue will let a cowboy NEAR its investment). In particular notice this -

Pretty much says it all. Sustain-raised dampers SHOULD ALL stay raised by sostenuto-down followed by sustain-up.

What you COULD try is while the sustain is still down but the sostenuto not, SILENTLY (and possibly using both hands) depress the keys you want to stay held, maintain your hold on them while releasing sustain, and ONLY THEN hit sostenuto. Your fingers then come free to frolic away fancy-free elsewhere.

SHOULD work! I believe I saw Horowitz once do this special effect. (Which is what it is.)

The thing about silently holding notes before pressing sustenato.   Hehe, i didn't even think of that, kinda makes me feel octopussy. But you know, we have MIDI.  AndI already use two tracks with pianiteq. There is no problem, theoretically, individually controlling damp/undamp on a note by note basis IF the silent MIDI note #'s are sent into the track with pianoteq and still holding when damper is used.
With ableton this means i just create a track to send midi to one of my pianoteq tracks, in ableton it can be a series of midi clips of different chord structures that i might want to arp while sustain effect is maintained and other notes are damped. Then just assign a piano key to trigger each clip and wallah, mixtures of sustained arps and staccato soloing. Pretty cool effect. Can't wait to try.