Topic: Pianoteq + mini-PC on stage

Have you guys seen the Intel NUC series? I am thinking of buying one in a couple of months and bring it onstage. Laptops are way too recognizable, but this little baby could be very discrete If I can eliminate the monitor (direct boot into Pteq) and only work with a numeric keypad I'd be happy. I'll let you know how it went.

http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/...s/nuc.html

PS I've also discovered Gigabyte Brix: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/produc...id=4581#ov

Last edited by CuriousDan (01-06-2013 23:57)

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Looks ok...

Unless you are in Europe, use large mustache, and someone say loud:

"it's a bomb..."

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I looked at the Intel site and I'm not sure that I understand what I read:

1. You buy the kit and then add a hard drive yourself? Or is there even a bus for a hard drive--you instead attach one via usb?
2. You add the RAM yourself also?
3. Is the CPU speed a little slow compared to chips on standard recent dual core systems?

But if the price is decent, this could be good: No Receptor, etc needed.

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Decent review here:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6444/inte...g-hands-on

Definitely a nice piece of kit for the VPC1...

Last edited by Cute James (03-06-2013 06:12)
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Jake Johnson wrote:

I looked at the Intel site and I'm not sure that I understand what I read:

1. You buy the kit and then add a hard drive yourself? Or is there even a bus for a hard drive--you instead attach one via usb?
2. You add the RAM yourself also?
3. Is the CPU speed a little slow compared to chips on standard recent dual core systems?

But if the price is decent, this could be good: No Receptor, etc needed.

1. Yes, add SSD drive yourself.
2. Yes, add RAM.
3. Yes, the CPU is a mobile version. I don't know if Haswell chips would bring more power, but i5 and i7 should be on their way.

Although you can always bring a laptop, I think a NUC or Brix would take less space if you know what you're doing. They could provide some competition to Receptor and much cheaper.

Last edited by CuriousDan (04-06-2013 00:31)

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CuriousDan wrote:
Jake Johnson wrote:

I looked at the Intel site and I'm not sure that I understand what I read:

1. You buy the kit and then add a hard drive yourself? Or is there even a bus for a hard drive--you instead attach one via usb?
2. You add the RAM yourself also?
3. Is the CPU speed a little slow compared to chips on standard recent dual core systems?

But if the price is decent, this could be good: No Receptor, etc needed.

1. Yes, add SSD drive yourself.
2. Yes, add RAM.
3. Yes, the CPU is a mobile version. I don't know if Haswell chips would bring more power, but i5 and i7 should be on their way.

Although you can always bring a laptop, I think a NUC or Brix would take less space if you know what you're doing. They could provide some competition to Receptor and much cheaper.

Thanks. So the kit consists of just the shell, the circuit board with the processor, and sound chips. and the USB busses and connections. When you say that you add the SSD drive yourself, do you mean that there is room inside and a separate bus, or does one connect an external drive via usb?

Any word on the pricing? Too high, and having to add the hard drive and RAM, etc will make it more expensive than a laptop.

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Watch this Danish assembly video, at around 01:05 you'll see the SSD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...-wxPKVCk8Q

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It's really very compact...  now I see better.

Maybe some controller could have a compartment to fit it.

Last edited by Beto-Music (07-06-2013 19:36)

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I could see coupling this with one of the little Korg NanoKontrol things or something similar. And suddenly I can see the value of a small monitor, or using a pad connected with USB as a control surface. (Did we establish that that was possible?)

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I'd consider building it into a the back of a damper/soft pedal unit to sit on the floor. USB in and audio out. Is it possible to control it from an iPhone?

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sorry but if you still need a "small monitor", why don't you use a ("small") laptop instead?

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Luc Henrion wrote:

sorry but if you still need a "small monitor", why don't you use a ("small") laptop instead?


Well, yes. I think the smallness of it appeals to me. It would be almost like having any vsti available in a module like the the old Roland JV1010. But without the controls, which means a screen would be needed, and so you're right. I guess we're left where we started, with basically a laptop.

I guess one side of me wants something similar to this, but with 10 knobs and an old, three-line led screen. But then I would complain that the screen was too small!

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Back to square one ! :-)
I wrote that because I just recently performed a few performances with Pianoteq running on my Asus laptop (13" screen) and it really wasn't very obtrusive on the stage while being comfortable to play with. I was using no less than 6 different presets during the performance, hence the necessity of a screen...
FYI, for another performance, where I only needed one sound, I used another, bigger laptop (17")  that was also my score display (pdf files), and I was just using an USB (triple) switch to "turn the pages" !
I love laptops...!

Oh yes: the Asus was connected to a MOTU 896 audio interface that also performed all the mixing: 2 guitars, 2 voices and Pianoteq, including the monitor sends; no other mixing console needed !!!

Last edited by Luc Henrion (13-06-2013 07:28)

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What I've sometimes thought would be ideal: An almost normal controller with a large sunken rectangular area in the middle where one could insert a laptop. A touchscreen laptop would work best. When the laptop's lid was closed, it would lie roughly flat with the upper surface of the keyboard. The keyboard would have a soundcard built in, or a cavity for holding the player's choice of an external soundcard-in-a-box.  The keyboard would also have at least 20 cc knobs or sliders for controlling the software.

Doesn't seem all that hard to create--really just a standard controller with a different shape.

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Open Labs did something like that a few years ago. But it didn't seem very reliable, albeit rather expensive... They seem out of production now. So it IS hard to do it right, maybe ;-)

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I remember looking over the Open Lab things on their site. They were trying to provide an entire workstation along with their own operating system. They still offer a 37 key version, called the Miko LXD, and it looks good, but it's almost $5K US at Guitar Center. My thought is to just change the shape of a decent Fatar controller. If I had EvilDragon's graphic skills, I would create a drawing. The keyboard would just have a lowered middle section for the laptop, which the user would provide, and second lowered section, or a bay, for the sound card, which the user would also provide.

I know. Not an astonishing notion. Surely something has to give--stage pianos, by design I suppose, offer very limited control over the parameters, synths with a sampling ability or a decent piano have stayed at a high price, and the various vsti boxes are as expensive as a decent laptop.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (14-06-2013 14:25)

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No graphic skills? Coming -

Google Sketchup

- right up. Get it via

Google DLOAD

Seemingly downloading from CNET will saddle you with undesirable accompaniments. You'd hope Google would be different. Also, looking up the Wiki, seems Google has transferred main development to a new company, though they both still run in-team.

Anyway, you could certainly run yourself up models now, suited to whatever DIY skills you have. For myself. setting out to achieve some fitment that'd sit secure upon a VPC1, I'd choose to build it out of sheets of chipboard glued together with PVC woodworking glue. 3D Printing being too miniature in scope at present.

Which pretty much reduces to sawing chipboard, to get to reality.

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My own "research" is, together with running Pianoteq of course, to replace my music stand with a rather big (touch) screen, connected to a laptop or mini-PC, just in front of me above the keyboard... But until now, despite the fact that I already did some performances this way, I'm not 100% happy: the definition of a paper sheet is still much greater than any screen, even "full HD" or better. When it's just a chords grid, OK, but when it's a Beethoven 's sonata, that's another story !
BTW, I already found two interesting devices: the USB switcher I wrote about (from the Scythe company), to "turn" the pages, and the freeware "PDF Xchange viewer", from Tracker Software,  that enables you to display the pdf files full screen, AND to annotate them in various ways!
http://www.tracker-software.com/product...nge-viewer
MUCH smaller than Adobe products, and very convenient!
If you prefer Adobe Acrobat, maybe you know that an older version of Adobe Acrobat Pro version (7.0, in CS2) is now free to download from their own site. No support and no warranty it will run on your system, but since it's free, you've nothing to loose! On all my PC's (XP/32 & Win7/64), it runs just fine...
http://www.adobe.com/downloads/cs2_downloads/

Re: Pianoteq + mini-PC on stage

Remember Luc, that my own personal goal was that people should not figure out "aha, he's got a laptop there". So my idea was - and still is - to bring a keyboard, a NUC and my Lexicon soundcard. Nuc and Lexicon are on the floor. The preset changes should be done entirely via a numeric keypad.

However, I'll wait a bit with the purchase as I've just read today that Intel will introduce the new fanless Haswell NUCs later this year.

Last edited by CuriousDan (19-06-2013 12:38)

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well you could tell the people: this is not a laptop, just a music stand ;-)

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Or you could just build a very powerful 1U and stick it in an ATA 4U ShockRack with an 18" LCD where the slanted mixer would go. But then this might be more power than some folks need.

I have rack mounted Analog Synth (3U) with the 1U PC above the synth, unnoticable, and the LCD is just above.
In the back is the 1U XITE-1 DSP Rack (PCI-e 1X Soundcard) and the SurgeX protection which I need from all of the MAC Lights, and other Dimmer packs that interfere with ITB rigs.

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/4663/img0921xi.jpg

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Oh, BTW, PTeq 4 is fierce, the Upright is the icing on the cake. Sampled Pianos are good if you don't know what the Sostenuto does, or need a Harmonic Pedal, or enjoy your own idea of what a Piano should sound like.
They are too perfectly tuned and sound too white.

Hardware Analog, DSP, PhysMod. VSTi Romplers....

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Indeed...

You can thanks Modartt for never give up.


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Oh, BTW, PTeq 4 is fierce, the Upright is the icing on the cake...

Last edited by Beto-Music (10-07-2013 23:45)