Topic: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

I really wish we had (for example) three separate keyboard zones for the equalizer (effectively, three separate equalizers).. with adjustable split points
This would make it so much easier to tailor the bass, middle, and high ranges of the piano.
Anyone else feel this would be a useful addition?

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Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

vic_france wrote:

I really wish we had (for example) three separate keyboard zones for the equalizer (effectively, three separate equalizers).. with adjustable split points
This would make it so much easier to tailor the bass, middle, and high ranges of the piano.
Anyone else feel this would be a useful addition?

You can already achieve something similar (and in much more detail) in the Pro version by editing the Spectrum profile for each key.

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

Niclas Fogwall wrote:

You can already achieve something similar (and in much more detail) in the Pro version by editing the Spectrum profile for each key.

Yes, Niclas, but I think you missed the word "easy" (i.e; "quick") from my request . I do have the pro version, btw (and I do already make use of it )
A practical example is with the upright, where I like to have all the notes in the mid range fairly bright (via e.q.), but that results in the high notes sounding too "brittle" for my liking. If it weren't for the fact that I'd lose sympathetic resonances, I would otherwise open two instances of Pianoteq, each one responding to a limited keyboard zone, and each with its own e.q. .

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Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

My vote would be to have a separate EQ for each mic. This way, one could create ranges across the keyboard and more generally shape the sound in the way that a studio shapes the sound, with separate EQs on the soundboard for each channel. These could in turn feed into a master EQ for final shaping.

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

EQ for each mic is a GREAT idea. Will enable us to give each mic its own "flavour". Possibly even somehow simulate various mic responses?

Hard work and guts!

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

"You can't get no satisfaction..."

Peple always want more.


Soon someone will soon ask for different envioments (chamber, studio...) for each mic.
Sound co-existing in multiple dimentions...



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But EvilDragon is right, it's a interesting idea.
And one more feature to atract consumers.



EvilDragon wrote:

EQ for each mic is a GREAT idea. Will enable us to give each mic its own "flavour". Possibly even somehow simulate various mic responses?

Last edited by Beto-Music (22-05-2013 00:44)

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

EvilDragon wrote:

EQ for each mic is a GREAT idea. Will enable us to give each mic its own "flavour". Possibly even somehow simulate various mic responses?

You can do this quite easily in a DAW.
In Logic, for istance, open Pianoteq as a Multi Output-->5xmono instrument. You'll notice that a little 'plus' sign has appeared in the strip channel. Click it five times to open the five mono PTQ channels; now, using PTQ sound recording window, assign the five mics one for each output and voilà: one channel strip for every mic letting you independent panning, compression, eq, pre simulation, reverb and the like.

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

Etto--It's easy for you, as they say. I got part of the way through it in Reaper last night. But it seems very "clicky," to use an expression I've read or heard somewhere. It requires many steps to set up and move around within. My thought was just that it could be fairly simple if kept within the vsti or standalone, in the same way that effects are currently kept within the vsti and standalone. The user could click on a button beside each output to see the EQ. Each panel could be like a Note Edit pane, so that the user could see and work with them all at once when needed. Of course, one can create a template within the DAW so the setup is automatic. On the other hand, if it were kept within the vsti and standalone, the eq settings could be part of a preset. Easier to change presets within the instrument than to load a new template in the DAW?

I'll try to wade into it a little deeper in Reaper tonight.

EvilDragon, you have Reaper, don't you? I stopped when I got lost around midnight in trying to assign a different EQ to each output. Once one assigns the instrument to several outputs, Reaper displays each output as though it was a separate track--I can see an apparent instance of Pianoteq listed several times. Do you know what I need to do next? (I experiment with Reaper from time to time, but most of my recording is so simple that when I see what appears to be several tracks and EQ's and effects, I get nervous about keeping everything under control.)

Last edited by Jake Johnson (22-05-2013 15:00)

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

With composition as opposed to performance, using NOTION you can set up a 5-track score and, definitely, have 5 instances of PTQ play them instantly together; but whether you can split tracks from a single instance across MIDI channels (obviously you can write tracks each confined to 1 of 5 ranges), is unknown to me.

To present awareness, if not that last, you'd forgo solely sympathetic resonance when going the first way, (another unknown)?

To forgo only sympathetic resonance between ranges would be an acceptable sacrifice to me, if needing to write for ranges. And then etto's spread of possibilities becomes available, starting from the term "channel strip" on down, via NOTION's Mixer.


Pretty easy. Of course if splitting the 5 tracks out of a single PTQ instance would fly, even easier, even better!

And it's really close, being stream-split by the mike/output-channel assignment already. In principle it's present from that assignment onward.

ADDED: if you write a one-track one-instance PTQ piece in NOTION, get up the Mixer, ckick the VSTi button and then click the little + at right of it, a 'Pianoteq'-flyout pops out of it, and in turn an unlabeled-but-formatted channel list pops out of that.

It's laid out so -

Ch 1-2
Ch 3-4
Ch 5

In short, Pianoteq is delivering the 5 channels independently, and whether you've done a 5-mike output-assign or not. That looks like hey-diddle-diddle right now. But isn't - all 5 PTQ outputs are being delivered to one instance (ie one instrument), and hence to one channel-strip in the Mixer. 

Might add, with this apparent exception, the whole process so conforms to etto's procedure above, it looks like the NOTION designers went straight to Logic, and lifted its flow holus bolus. With one nuisance.obstacle.

Last edited by custral (23-05-2013 07:34)

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

Jake Johnson wrote:

EvilDragon, you have Reaper, don't you? I stopped when I got lost around midnight in trying to assign a different EQ to each output. Once one assigns the instrument to several outputs, Reaper displays each output as though it was a separate track--I can see an apparent instance of Pianoteq listed several times. Do you know what I need to do next? (I experiment with Reaper from time to time, but most of my recording is so simple that when I see what appears to be several tracks and EQ's and effects, I get nervous about keeping everything under control.)

Those should be just sends (audio from each Pianoteq's output sent to its own track) - tracks might be named "Pianoteq", but only one of them has the plugin actually loaded (the one with glowing FX button). You can add effects on the send tracks to EQ them, easily...

Hard work and guts!

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

To Jake (and others with NOTION).

Let's shoot for a workpast to the "apparent" problem above. Resources not so far mentioned are the Bus and Master channels, which you show in Mixer via the Bus and Master buttons at top right, appearing rightward from the Pianoteq channel-strip as strips for Buses A B C D and then Master. Let's set the Outputs at bottom of each strip, starting from the Pianoteq strip with 'output' (meaning goes to Master strip), next with 'Ch 1-2' on each of A B C D and Master. So much for the outputs of the strips.

Now sight the inputs, at the top, which are 4 assignable VSTi's (you've picked these up with the VST Manager ahead of Mixing). Upon clicking the top Insert button for each strip you can choose a VSTi from the list the click brings up.

I assume there will exist some software 'mesa' filter (opposite of 'notch') with sharp cliffs out there, (there's bound to be some). Testing with PianoVerb2 as a handy check shows that it maintains a separate invocation for each strip (eg with Default, Harmonic Reverb, Detuned etc settings for each of A B C....), and so in principle *some* of the mesa filter VSTi's out there will act likewise, as independent invocations for each strip.

Thus you can direct 20% of THE WHOLE of PTQ's 5 mikes' inputs for the Mixer's Pianoteq strip to successively Bus A, Bus B, Bus C, Bus D. And the remaining 20% of the Pianoteq strip's output goes to Master, recall. And if you'd been thinking of your ranges as Bass, Baritone, Tenor, Alto, Soprano, and next 'mesa' the inputs to Buses A B C D then Master, as Baritone Tenor Alto Soprano then Bass, you've done it.

That's all.

I admit, across each range bar Soprano, as frequency of the played fundamental climbs, the next Bus up will tend more to handle its overtones, but so what? A single soundboard and a single set of agraffes generated all sound in PTQ, and all will FINALLY be output to 'Ch 1-2', a single LR channel. And meantime, out there will certainly be VSTi equalisers, whose outputs can be independently set.

If you were lucky, mesa and equaliser might even be on the same module. And if not, you've got four input Inserts to play with, on each Bus plus Master. Same's true with Panning further down the strips. Plenty.

Words go just so far. Have a look.

Last edited by custral (23-05-2013 10:32)

Re: Feature Request: equalizer: multiple keyboard zones

Custral: I need to reinstall Notion--one of my projects for this week, after upgrading to Windows 8, which deletes almost all of one's programs if you are upgrade from Vista, as I did. But yes, I do want to see what you are doing there.

EvilDragon: I didn't get back to Reaper last night to try inserting a separate eq on each Send. (Part of my problem is that I work with too many hosts--Reaper, Cubase, Notion, and Mulab. I need to stay with one of them to learn it better.) Let me see if I can get back to it tonight.