Topic: The Blüthner is great; what next?

Hi all

I am sure that pianoteq have their own plans but why not start a poll about future models?

So, what piano would you like to see next?

I would vote Steingraeber-Phoenix, a grand piano with bridge agraffes for long sustain and with a carbon soundboard. It's innovative and might be a good complement to the existing ones. Unfortunately I have not heard one live but reviews are often enthusiastic. 
http://steingraeberpianos.com/news/phoenix.html and http://www.erichimy.com/recordings_schumann_en.php

What piano would you like to see?

Last edited by nb (03-10-2012 21:25)

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I would like to see a Steinway B.

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Screw Steinway, there's one done already, as D4.


I want a Bösendorfer!

Last edited by EvilDragon (03-10-2012 23:47)
Hard work and guts!

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An upright, please.

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Well, the Steinway B model (sampled) I tesed was very different from model D, like if it was from another manufacturer.

Not sure if it's time to try a upright, cause they tried one and did not get happy.  I supose it would require create new soundboard algorithm models, specific for upright.


EvilDragon wrote:

Screw Steinway, there's one done already, as D4.


I want a Bösendorfer!

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To my mind, what next should be an ipad/iphone version.

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I believe there is no discussion...

We need an opright piano, any upright for a start...

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Fazioli F308 or F278

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I'd love to see a Bösendorfer, too. And a Grotrian Steinweg and a Bechstein

DIY digital piano on salvaged piano action with homemade optical sensor bar: http://sebion.wordpress.com

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iPhone/iPad version!

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Need need a battered upright and also a Hohner Pianet N

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A Fazioli like this one I am playing ...(Photo taken by a Fazioli grandson at Winter NAMM 2012)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6742182095_0da9288c59_z.jpg

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This
http://www.templates.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Upright-Piano-by-Stefan-Jevremovic.jpg

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The quality of the Bluther is SO SO S-O good that my preference is for whatever ModArtt chooses to adds next! Their choices are inspired and fabulous!

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A little cleaning sometimes it's not a bad idea.

The keyboard looks like olf bad teeth

olepro wrote:

This
http://www.templates.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Upright-Piano-by-Stefan-Jevremovic.jpg

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That piano is not even real (it's computer generated graphics).

Hard work and guts!

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Please don't say that, or web trolsl will get here and start to say the CGI image  sounded too metalic and thin.


EvilDragon wrote:

That piano is not even real (it's computer generated graphics).

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Fazioli F308 . Please

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paolopiano wrote:

Fazioli F308 . Please

Fazioli F308 Please!

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Steinway B

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I concur with the Fazioli 308cm (10-1/2 foot length).  Besides the others mentioned above, I would love to see and hear a Stuart & Sons piano from Australia.  This is the piano that favors string vibrations in the vertical mode, rather than the combined vertical- and horizontal modes.

One different piano is the completely hand built Shigeru Kawai concert grand.  The S. Kawai and Fazioli represent the absolutely finest pianos I have had the pleasure to play ... even more gorgeous than Bosendorfer and Bechstein (true works of art in themselves).

Cheers,

Joe

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It simply must be the 'P1'. Always felt that Pianoteq was missing out in just copying existing piano models.

Why not talk to a creative, performing, artist, and develop a custom made signature piano in cooperation? Create a new piano, rather than the umptieth digital Boesendorfer.

People like Silbermann, Pleyel talked a great deal to the leading musical lights of their day. I am, for music, not a great believer in the "Wisdom of the crowds" approach, which, in the case of Pianoteq would i fear only lead to the perfect instrument to play solitary, with headphones, in city appartments. Nice, but not enough.

Make it alive, make it 21st century.

Paul

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Good one pz!

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jcfelice88keys wrote:

One different piano is the completely hand built Shigeru Kawai concert grand.  The S. Kawai and Fazioli represent the absolutely finest pianos I have had the pleasure to play ... even more gorgeous than Bosendorfer and Bechstein (true works of art in themselves).

I never played a Shigeru, but it's my life's wish to do so (since I'll never really be able to afford one, nor do I deserve it or have room for it)!

Last edited by EvilDragon (05-10-2012 14:53)
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How about a Sauter Concert 275? (Sauter piano's are German handmade Pianos, and as per Larry Fine, one of the 8 best Pianomanufacturers in the World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_e_R6NXUYk

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Yes to that, for me!

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If Modartt could get anywhere close to the 160Gb Fazioli Ebony Grand here: www.imperfectsamples.com then we'd all be more than blessed!! Better demos needed there - but I've never heard anything like it in terms of 'character' in a virtual piano. Carl

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I am pleased beyond words about what we have, but of course companies have to go on in this world^^.

What I wish the most is that no i-pad version would slow down the development, like it does with many other companies. Nearly 100% of all i-pad-users own a laptop and desktop too. With Apple (yes, that's the hyped company that paid a whopping 1,9% income tax after they made huge money in 2011 using legal bad tricks in the USA, a country with a real lot of really poor people) sometimes even the OS is changing so fast that nice vstis become useless. But that's not the main reason,
I just find it horrible that people buy 10 laptops in 10 years and 4 desktops and additionally 8 i-pods and 5 i-pads.
Well, that is what they do, but if we are in the wishlist, a superb piano is for musicians first, and not for gear-lust.
Sometimes I like to play piano for hours to forget that I live in a kind of mad world. Anyway - if madness and the next i-fly and i-elefant would not stand in the way of the developers, well, fine. Buy your piano for the toilet too, and don't forget the roof, it can be nice to go there about every year.


I'd wish, like Evil Dragon and jcfelice88keys, just in a different order

- uprights! Or more tips how we would fake those.

- A Bechstein with the P4 or later P5 possibilities (yes, we have one, and I still love it)

- Boesendorfer (wonderful...)

- Shigeru Kawai (never ever heard of, but what you write sounds marvellous)

- an "i grand". For the gear-hunters. touchscreen only, of course, who needs a keyboard. Wrapped in a stylish 5*7 pixel piano, including magnifying glasses for the elderly (over 21, that is^^)


Again, that's pure icing on the cake for me, I am happy with what we got. Another suggestion, if at one point in the future the developers would tend to think pianoteq was mature enough now (2020^^?) - was to add a pdf with a lot of tips how to do our own creations. Like making even more note-edits parameters open for the pro-version. I always thought I'd pay for such a book as pdf, like I pay for add-ons.

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I would ask that Modartt focus on further refining/improving the Bluthner,
as the Bluthner, i feel,   is the very best model they've done  up
to this point. 

rhombic

Last edited by rhombic (11-11-2012 23:18)

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I agree the Bluthner it's the most natural sound pianoteq model.
It's a signal of what wait for the future.

But as any comercial dependent project, pianoteq needs sales to keep developing, and at to this point they need to create other piano models for new consumers.

If the new technologies advances, already developed and incorporated to Bluthner, could be fit to some old models, without consume much resources, maybe Modartt could refurbish some models, like Bechstein 1896, YC5.


rhombic wrote:

I would ask that Modartt focus on further refining/improving the Bluthner,
as the Bluthner, i feel,   is the very best model they've done  up
to this point. 

rhombic

Last edited by Beto-Music (12-11-2012 18:23)

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rhombic wrote:

I would ask that Modartt focus on further refining/improving the Bluthner,
as the Bluthner, i feel,   is the very best model they've done  up
to this point. 

rhombic

I agree, I think that it is definitely more important to have one piano model that sounds great rather than a large variety of models.  There is still plenty of work to be done on the sound, and the progress they've recently made with the D4 and the Bluethner makes me confident that Modartt can crack it.  The Bluenther actually fooled me the other day: I was listening to the e-competition recordings of Brahms's Sonata Op.5 and comparing it with a recording of an acoustic piano.  At one point I thought, "Well, the acoustic still sounds way better, you can't get a sound like this from Pianoteq," but when I looked I was actually listening to the Pianoteq version.

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I would like to download some mp3 from the pianoteq site e-competition page.

But I guess it's not possible...

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I think the pianos are greath, my favourite is the Bluthner and right afther that the K1. But im also a big fan of the pleyel and historical instrument.

What I would like to see would be:

1) Clavichord with debung
2) A careful modelling of a harpsichord
3) Spinet or Virginal

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Beto-Music wrote:

I would like to download some mp3 from the pianoteq site e-competition page.

But I guess it's not possible...

The e-competition files are really fun to test your "fxps".   I think I understand your question.  May I suggest:

1)  load one of the .mid files from e-competition website by dragging and dropping on to the PTQ open graphic display
2)  export it as a .wav  (one of the pull down menus in PTQ)
3)  then convert the .wav into a .mp3 . .   very simple with a MAC . . not sure of the method with a PC but it works basically the same way

Have fun listening . .  I use those files all of the time

Lanny

Last edited by LTECpiano (06-12-2012 17:53)

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LTECpiano wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:

I would like to download some mp3 from the pianoteq site e-competition page.

But I guess it's not possible...

The e-competition files are really fun to test your "fxps".   I think I understand your question.  May I suggest:

1)  load one of the .mid files from e-competition website by dragging and dropping on to the PTQ open graphic display
2)  export it as a .wav  (one of the pull down menus in PTQ)
3)  then convert the .wav into a .mp3 . .   very simple with a MAC . . not sure of the method with a PC but it works basically the same way

Have fun listening . .  I use those files all of the time

Lanny

I do this with many of the Chopin mid files on the E-piano site.

An easy way to convert to mp3 on an Win machine (I use it extensively for it's primary purpose - a wave editor):

http://www.goldwave.ca/

The price is hard to beat, and it provides a lifetime subscription to updates - I've been using it for ten years.

Glenn

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Thanks for the tips  Lanny

But it would still require the right velocity curves adequate to Yamaha Disklavier.

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How about an orchestral harp?

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Steve Steele
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I agree with Hombic & Beto. Further refining the bluthner and D4 is the way to go.
I play other modules I have. But since I purchased pianoteq,  I always finish playing the bluthner & D4. Something about their playability. If they sound so good now, can you imagine Bluthner part two.

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manolo wrote:

I agree with Hombic & Beto. Further refining the bluthner and D4 is the way to go.
I play other modules I have. But since I purchased pianoteq,  I always finish playing the bluthner & D4. Something about their playability. If they sound so good now, can you imagine Bluthner part two.

I agree.

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2013...

13 it's a bad luck number...


2013 will be a bad luck year for sampled pianos.


;-)

Last edited by Beto-Music (24-12-2012 15:08)

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Beto-Music wrote:

2013...

13 it's a bad luck number...


2013 will be a bad luck year for sampled pianos.


;-)

Luckily 20 + 13 = 33 and that is a good number! So I am going with that.

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ofcourse, it must be good.. we survived 21-12-2012 :-)

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I'd love to have Modartt model a Mason & Hamlin BB -- a fantastic mid-size grand.  That would be a must-buy add-on for me.

I may be in the minority, but still prefer the D4 slightly to the Bluthner (with Jazz Recording BA being my favorite preset).  While both of those are excellent, neither quite captures the mid-range tonality that I love on the real-world M&H.

Last edited by duggadugdug (05-09-2013 18:17)

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What ever the next model (Bosendorfer ), it would be best if Modartt got the quality approved and the endorsement of the company. Just like who they worked on producing the Bluthner.

Last edited by DonSmith (06-09-2013 06:05)

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Maybe one day there will be piano manufacturers who will try to build a real instrument that sounds like a virtual Pianoteq model ?
That would make the circle complete ...

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I have always been asking for a Hohner Pianet N model.

I finally got my own real Pianet N this year.  I wonder if I can assist Modartt is getting it modelled...?

Last edited by feline1 (06-09-2013 12:48)

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feline1 wrote:

I finally got my own real Pianet N this year.  I wonder if I can assist Modartt is getting it modelled...?

Sure you can, contact them and they will tell you what needs to be done

Hard work and guts!

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Omg if they need an Erard to remodel I have one. We need more Erards.

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Hammond B3 with Leslie
I'm sure Modartt would do a great job.

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Well, I am hoping for continued improvement in their version of a concert grand sound.

It is pretty good now but not quite good enough to stand alone (in my opinion) as my only concert grand sound.   I usually blend it with the native sound of my ES7 concert grand.

I know ... there are a zillion options with the various "piano sounds" offered by Pianoteq, but I have been unable to find a single sound that I can stay with.

Even allowing for the fact that our ear tends to sabotage any sound we hear for too long, I think (hope) that improvements can still be made.

Pianoteq has become my primary software driven piano sound and I expect it to remain so.

Keep up the good work, Modartt.