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Topic: Catch Up?

Took a wander over to Pianoworld, and a new topic is Ivory II:

A host of new piano-related features have been added to the Ivory II engine. Principle among these is Sympathetic String Resonance, a sought after but elusive characteristic of real pianos that Synthogy approaches in a completely new and unique way to realize the true complexities and subtleties of sympathetic string excitation.

Ivory II also addresses Synthogy’s most frequent customer requests with features like Half Pedaling, Lid Position, Pedal Noise, and Tuning Tables to deliver the most detail and control available in a virtual piano.

All these "breakthroughs" have been in Pianoteq for quite a while.  Sounds like catch up to me.

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Re: Catch Up?

Sympathetic Resonance it's a bit generic term.

Some digital pianos used to claim to have Sympathetic Resonance but had no string ressonance.

I supose someone should test all those libraries and score each one in terms of quality for sympathetic ressonance.

That's a work for Piet De Ride   ;-)

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Re: Catch Up?

Sympathetic resonance only means one thing.  And basically only pianos, harps, violins, guitars and such instruments have it (instruments with a common sounding board and multiple strings).

The sample people have been misleading buyers into believing that samples have SR, and many users are sure it has.

This latest ad by one of the leading sample suppliers makes it clear that it was really "smoke and mirrors" and they haven't had SR.  I'm also very skeptical that they can ever really do it.

We often think of SR as occurring when the dampers are up, but if one strikes a chord with the dampers down, SR is occurring amongst the notes that are being held.  There is no way that samples can ever truly generate this simply because the number of combinations and permutations of ten or twelve notes is too large.

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Re: Catch Up?

You never know how a post will be interpreted on an open forum.

I was expecting to be flamed on Pianoworld for my comments, but no flames so far.

In fact others chimed in agreeing that Ivory was playing catch-up.

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Re: Catch Up?

Glenn NK wrote:

There is no way that samples can ever truly generate this simply because the number of combinations and permutations of ten or twelve notes is too large.

You might be right that they can never do it 100%, but I've heard the results of what scripting can do, and it's excellent (e.g the Kornel Mezzo script, which is quite well known)

Greg.

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Re: Catch Up?

I remamber I talked with Kornel Mezzo a few times. I had congratulated hin for create the scripts etc...

But last time I spoke with hin he didn't want to talk about the scripts and said that was playing Ivory, at the time version 1 without Sympathetic Ressonance.

Háaaa háaaa háaaa...

Can't understant that...


Well... scripts recreate the fisrt instance of Sympathetic Ressonance. Cause there are also ressonances devived from interaction with sympathetic ressonance effects, and a ressonance of the ressonace, and a ressonance of the ressoanance of the ressoanance...   

I don't know how far pianoteq go in this terms, but probably go really far deeper than the scripts used in sampled libraries.

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Re: Catch Up?

I think if you just add some delay lines with feedback tuned to the twelve semitones, let them run when a key related to this semitone is held down and then feed them with the sample player's output, they will produce something like sympathetic resonance. So maybe it's an "intelligent effect" added to the sample library.

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