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However, it doesn't look as if they are graded hammer actions!

The only model that does have graded hammer is the cheapest model (CP50) but this is not a natural wood action but but a GH (GHE) action which is the same action as the one I have replaced with the NL2 action on the 'modding P120 Stage Piano' thread.

It seems that the only way to get a graded hammer wooden action stage piano is to do what I have done! Bear in mind that Yamaha have put the CP's on the 'Yamaha Synth' website, not the Yamaha Musical Instrument site, hence the weighted action synth type feel! Obviously, those who want an authentic piano feel will require graded hammer. I would therefore recommend either the high end CVP's / CVP's, or buy the NL2 Natural Wood action which is graded and build it into either a present yamaha stage piano or purchase something like a CP33, P155 or P85 and instal it in that.

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Re: http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/stage_pianos

http://www.yamahasynth.com/jp/library/c...n_eng.html

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Re: http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/stage_pianos

You do know you can edit your post instead of multiposting?

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Sigasa: very observant indeed - thanks!

I rather like the look of that folding keyboard that someone posted a link to recently. Anything that subtracts one from my list of obstacles to buying a Porsche gets my vote.

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Re: http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/stage_pianos

Those Yamaha S stage pianos are going to be expensive--in the 5-6K range, judging from what I've read. V-Piano range.

And is their nomenclature getting stranger and stranger? Their current stage piano is the CP300, with the lower end model named the CP33. These newer, more expensive models will be called the CP1, CP5, and the CP50?  Um...

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EvilDragon wrote:

You do know you can edit your post instead of multiposting?

yes

Skip, the folding keyboard is only 76 notes! Not very pianoteq friendly eh?

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Sigasa: I guess not - I hope they produce an 88-note version.

Interestingly, though, it looks like the low end starts on an A, which means that it could be used like an 88-note keyboard that has ONLY the upper end truncated. I hadn't noticed this before.  For ages I have been wanting a keyboard like this, because the low end is far more important to me than the upper end. HOWEVER, if I'm going to buy a FOLDING keyboard, I'd want the full 88 notes!

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I'd be shocked if it's not graded. GH, GH3, NW... they're all slight variations on the same thing. It's the same underlying mechanism. They probably tweaked something relatively insignificant, so they can market it as something special.

I think your P120 mod is the best solution.

Now stop giving them so much free advertising!

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FYI: I've just deleted a post where I stated that I had found some other 76-note keyboards that begin on an A, but I was mistaken.  I am now going off to boil myself in oil.

EDIT: Ok, I found one - the CME UF70: 
http://www.mistheria.com/foto/1186409467.jpg

So the InfiniteResponse is not unique in this respect afterall.

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Re: http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/stage_pianos

joshuasethcomposer wrote:

I'd be shocked if it's not graded. GH, GH3, NW... they're all slight variations on the same thing. It's the same underlying mechanism. They probably tweaked something relatively insignificant, so they can market it as something special.

Yamaha claim to have 'optimized' the action for stage piano use? They also claim to have reduced keyboard/action vibration. All I can gleen from the web is that the NW-STAGE is a 'weighted' keyboard
http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musica...mode=specs
'88 keys, NW-STAGE keyboard (Wooden synthetic ivory weighted keyboard)' This is Yamaha's very own description!
I must admit Joshua, that I also think it strange that they would not use a graded hammer setup on their, quote; 'Ultimate' Stage Pianos!

p.s. lovely nocturne!

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i can't imagine they would produce a wooden key instrument that didn't have realistic piano action- i had a wurly EP back in the dark ages and i rememer it being pretty much unweighted or lightly weighted-  but i remember rhodes having weighting that was similar to piano...? 

anyway, i dont speak norwegian and i don't know if this is a "real" price on this website below- but if my bloomberg screen NOK to USD and EUR is correct -  the CP 1 looks to be pricing at $7800 US and EUR 5400?  pretty steep and must be targeting the pro stage performer.  i thought the acoustics sounded OK but not great, but the EP's very realistic...

http://www.prolyd.no/Avdelinger/Produkt...YCP-1.aspx


PS:  there is a pretty good video also on the site (in english) if you scroll below.  its a typical early- stage promo video where the guy playing it knows just a little bit more than the dude he's making the pitch to.  (video is in 4 parts...)   i saw another video on youtube where a japanese fellow was playing it and seemed quite animated and probably explained every technical nuance in great detail to those who speak japanese...

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Re: http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/stage_pianos

boehnbr wrote:

i had a wurly EP back in the dark ages and i rememer it being pretty much unweighted or lightly weighted-

Agreed. I still have my Wurly, and it's action is quite light, however still very pleasant.  It is much easier to play in the "Supertramp vamp" style than my fully weighted Kawai MP9000.  One day I hope someone will design an electronically adjustable action. 

i thought the acoustics sounded OK but not great, but the EP's very realistic...

I have exactly the same opinion so far.  (re: the CP1)

Greg.