For Beto-Music: Experimenting with the Bass of the YC5 Chamber

A second version is in the Files area. I essentially just moved all of the parameters for the octaves above and below middle C to your original settings. To my ear, the Unison detuning is a bit strong, partly because, to get a darker "Steinway" bass, I had to reduce the unison detuning a bit there and extend the Direct duration slightly on the bass notes.

But I've tried to smooth the transition a bit, so there won't be a sudden leap to an entirely different piano when you hit a bass note. That was done using the Strike position--I had to alter it a bit in the midrange, or the difference between the midrange and the bass was too stark.

In any case, this Second Try preset should be a little closer. Hard to speak of these things in the abstract, of course. Tell me what you think--I don't have very thin skin, and I too would like a version of the YC5 with a bass like you describe.

Well, seens better, but A3 (considering the first A as A1) seens just a bit low, like a old man sound. 
F4 to G5 still have some artificial tone.  Strange... the original Moddart presets didn't sound with that few artificial tone.

I ask myself...  Would few sound problem be there, if they had analized the real piano tunned this way, instead of we retuned as a digital model?

Sorry, Jake. I really apreciate you kindness and effort to help me, thank you. 
But those glasses don't fit well, and the contact lenses causes me some allergy.

The area of 5th octave (C5) now is resembling a little bit a piano toy.

Me and my damn anoying ears...

I think will late the aquisition of YC5 until a next version improve more the sound realism after sellective adjusts.

There are very few minor changes, very few, by just looking to the slider in standart version.

But the little piano toy sound is there in your third try. I think a change in a group of key can alter a bit the sound of other keys, due ressonance effects and such sort of things.

My ears are constantly developing ability to detect any imperfection or any hint of artificiality, even that very little.
My curse...  :-(

I was testing the fourth try right now.  I needed to reduce the velocity curve since this time it was straight line.
It was more natural (in focus) but I reduced the hammer hardness a bit (cause mine is standart pianoteq) to give more soft classic touch.

Maybe if you reduce the hammer hardness just a little, for middle range, it became better.

A4 makes the protection metal grid in front of my left speaker vibrate. Funny, now more than ever, and YC5 was basicly the only piano that was causing it. Each object, material, have a key frequency to make it "shake".
If I put my finger in contat with the grid, it stope vibrate. I will need to put drops silicon glue in the metal grid's edges to stop the casual vibrations.

yes, the bass was the problem, since I made my initial modification in turn to reduce hammer hardness to fit YC5 chamber better for soft classic music. But the bass got too weak.

Your fourth try was better than the earliers tries, but still add a bit of artificial sound to middle range, despite add less than your other tries.

Maybe if you focus just to the bass...  What about take my initial FXP, and just rise the hammer hardness for the bass?

I know a Yamaha bass will never sound like the bass of a Steinway.

Hammer noise is secondary, and just after get a fine sound I would figure to adjust it.

After playing with the latest (the fifth) for about half an hour, I've come to suspect that it may not be what you want. It's still not the YC5 with a softer bass.

But it may have possibilities for it's own sake. Just two chords, exploring the sound:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...20Time.mp3

And here is a sixth try, with the bass the same it is in the previous (fifth) version, but the middle a little harder, so it should play better for classical:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...20Bass.fxp

One thing I'm learning from this experiment is that is that it's hard to judge the resulting sound as I create the preset. Partly because small changes in the hammer hardness controls have such a big effect, so I'm getting them too hard and then too soft. And there's the headphone fatigue...It's just hard to hear the overall sound well after editing each note or range. I guess I'm going to have to start letting the preset sit, and then return to it after the paint has dried.

I found the name for the device that optometrists use: a phoropter:

http://vision.about.com/od/eyeexaminati...ropter.htm

(Not to be confused with an autorefractor, which tests the shape of the eye as you look at an image or text.)

So we are phoroptering, in a sense. But I'm not sure which of us is the patient... The problem is that there is no exact sound that we are trying to see--we only have the lenses?

Did you try version 6? The mp3 was for version 5.

Yikes. I just  opened the version 5 YC5  and version 6 YC5fxp, and found that the mics had changed radically from the preset mic settings. I must have had another preset loaded at some point and had Freeze settings on.

I've uploaded corrected versions of both fxps. We've been hearing very different things. I may like number 5 better,  now.  Still may not be your cup of tea, but I think you'll agree it's better with the correct mic settings.

Is it F2? Not F3, the one below middle C? (That range gave me a lot of trouble.)

I hear the rattle, now. I like it, actually. But I'm creating Try 7, which I think cuts it. Is it just the one note?

By the way, are the bass notes a tad too loud? I raised them a decibel when I worried that the bass was getting a little dark. Now I'm not sure it was wise.

(I didn't know that I was trying to create a Steinway B, here. The Steinway B was in another thread, I thought.)

Well, I took a seventh run at it, but I disliked the result--the more I adjusted the bass, the more distant and indistinct the sound became. I'm posting it just to show the problem. I moved the mics for an eighth version that I think you'll agree is better, and posted a hastily-done mp3 for it. Here's the seventh, eighth, and the m3 for the eighth (the name of which I managed to misspell on the Files page). You may just want to listen to the mp3 for the eighth first:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...ording.fxp

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...ording.fxp

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...%20mp3.mp3

Is the midrange a little poppy--do the medium strikes have a but too much hammer noise? (Apparently I have trouble hearing this after drafting...)

Remember that this was built with the Chamber preset--there's a lot of hall in the sound.