Topic: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Solo McClachlan again, this time doing Adia. A bigger (I think) but often sweet Yamaha: (A few warbles in the vocal here and there, though--mp4 artifacts?)

http://music.aol.com/video/sarah-mclach...an/1139649

(Is there just one mic on the piano?) This is from a cache of videos I just discovered, called "Sessions at AOL," which has 42 videos of McClachlan at this address:

http://music.aol.com/video-hub/artist/s...644/latest

The site is not devoted to her--it's an AOL music video site, with many of the videos, it seems, recorded just for the site. (?) Sorry if it's well-known. New for me. Lots of music that I have no interest in, but also a few good, well-recorded, close-up performances. Here's the link for the main page, where there's a brief list of some of the performers and a search box for others.

http://music.aol.com/sessions/

Last edited by Jake Johnson (02-09-2009 15:26)

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Skip, in another thread, says that the Adia video is unavailable in Australia. If you have the same problem (some kind of AOL restriction?) try:

http://www.truveo.com/sarah-mclachlan-a...3389380867

Or do a search for "aol sessions" mclachlan adia. Other sites can embed the videos, so you'll certainly find it. Note that there is also a version of the song with a band. Not nearly as good for the piano sound. The version of Angel on this same site seems to have an artificial reverb or chorus on it. Too bad. The vocal is good. I don't know what mics and set-up she's using, but in all of her solo piano Session videos she getting great clarity on the recording of the voice, if you ignore the occasional lossy-format warble.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (02-09-2009 15:28)

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

None of them visible in Italy

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Ditto for Australia - I can't view the second link either.

Greg.

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Well, how about--

http://www.yidio.com/sarah-mclachlan-ad...3389380867

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

And....nope.

Greg.

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Jake: I found ONE "AOL Sessions" recording of S.M in iTunes ("Dirty Little Secret"):
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZSt...p;s=143460

I assume this is identical to the copy on AOL:
http://music.aol.com/video/sarah-mclach...an/1139651

Is this the sound you want us to hear? In any case, I like it a lot. The Yamaha generally seems to have a dark sound, yet with a metallic sheen. I see that you have uploaded an FXP - if you've managed to reproduce this sound that will be most impressive.
EDIT: I've tried the FXP now - not bad at all. I still prefer my sampled C7 by a fair margin though - Pianoteq sounds dry in comparison, despite the fact that your EQ does impart a metallic quality which is similar to the recording.  (assuming the recording has a similar sound to "Adia")

Greg.

Last edited by skip (03-09-2009 09:57)

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

If it starts with her welcoming the viewer to an AOL Sessions thing, it's probably the same recording of Dirty Little Secret (I can't see the video at the itunes location...)

It's the same piano as on Adia, but played differently. She uses a wider range of touch in Adia, really pounding the piano at times. (One soft passage with the pedal down actually doesn't work so well.) Fewer lossy format problems on the Adia video, too. Too bad that aol restricts the site. And one can't purchase or download the videos, as far as I can tell.

Has anyone from outside the US been able to reach the site?

I, too, hear the comparatively dry sound of the fxp. But is it dry, in the sense of needing more room? (I'm still experimenting, and I hope other people will take a hand at revisions or similar sounds.)

About the eq'ing. I've learned two things in working on this fxp--1. How to use the eq to bring in upper freqs and to cut them fast by raising the Q-factor. 2. How to use the soundboard's Cut-off freq to further control the rate of the cut-off. Raising the Cut-off means that higher, less prominent freqs must first get cut, so it takes a little longer for the Q-factor slope to be noticeable---in other words, the Cut-off freq, if you raise high freqs in the EQ pane that could make the sound too bright if held too long into the decay, acts almost like a delay for the Q-factor, making it seem less abrupt. Lets you get in the high freqs and cut them fast, so they register mainly in the attack, but not too fast. Enormous amount of control available in the way these two parameters can be made to interact with small tugs on the sliders.

Of course, this situation is true for all of the presets--it's just much more noticeable if you raise high freqs to unnatural amplitudes in the EQ pane to brighten the attack.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (03-09-2009 21:24)

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Jake,
You have to install iTunes in order to get to that link. It's free. Your computer will not *necessarily* blow up if you do. ;^) (if it does, I think it will be sheer coincidence)
Regarding "Dirty Little Secret", all I can hear in iTunes is a short preview, and it does not include the beginning, so I don't know what happens during the intro.

Re: the dryness, I don't really know for sure.  There is a clarity in the sampled C7 which is lacking in Pianoteq. I think the fidelity of the sampled piano is extremely good, and I could be suffering from ever increasing expectations.  It sounds a fair bit clearer and brighter than any Elton piano I heard whilst quickly flicking through many songs in iTunes, too.  (that might be partly due to the AAC compression, though I kind of doubt that it would have a big effect - I do think the fidelity in iTunes is very good)

Greg.

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Skip,

Just an idea--Could you record a note or two from a library that you prefer (a note or two that you strongly like) into a wave file and post it or them in the Files area? Several of us could then try to emulate it and post the results and fxps with the settings...Might let us learn more precisely just what the differences are, or what can and can't be done?

I understand that single notes are not the entire question, but this procedure may still have value.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (05-09-2009 00:11)

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Jake - I've sent you an email.

Greg.

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

I'm resurrecting this thread after finding another link-site that has some of these videos. (Apparently you can embed the videos in another site, but not download them.) Here's the "Adia" video. I'm posting it for the piano sound.

http://www.wittysparks.com/video/3389380867/

Nice treble for rock. Often a little hard to judge what's contributing to the sound. She uses both the soft pedal and the sus pedal quite a bit--in other videos, I've seen her hit both big chords and single notes really hard in the treble using both pedals to keep the sound loud but not too metallic. 

The version of "Angel" on this site, (yes, again...) uses the same piano and mic set up. The versions of the songs with the band are much weaker, piano-wise.

I'm posting this for the piano sound, but I like this "Adia" much better than others I've heard--she's really at her best solo like this. The acoustic guitar version of "Building a Mystery" on this site is also good. Didn't care for the song until I heard this version.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (08-11-2009 23:02)

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Jake,
Thanks, but it still doesn't work from Australia. I think the problem is that the "embedding" is simply embedding a LINK to the material, which is still hosted on AOL (or whatever the problematic server is)

Greg.

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Oh, well. Hope springs eternal... Does AOL only function in the America's? Seems most strange for an internet company to intentionally limit its own audience size.

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

It happens from time to time. Yes, something to do with licensing in foreign countries I guess.

Greg.

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Hi Jake,
I am Sandy Rochard and thanks for providing the links related songs.I think access both links and definitely i like both the songs.If you have more just forward me.
Thanks

Re: Another pop\rock video with a Yamaha, and a big set of music videos

Sandy,

I just created another thread that lists previously mentioned videos at http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=901

The focus is on Yamaha's, since the first PTeq YC5 had just been released and we were experimenting with various settings. (And because so many songwriters use Yamaha's on stage...)

I hope you'll help us find other videos.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (09-11-2009 14:51)