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Topic: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

Dear all,

I am still pondering over whether to buy Pianoteq (currently I use Synthogy's Ivory). I have been doing a lot of side by side comparisons, and ended up downloading a MIDI file at www.purgatorycreek.com that was construed to reveal weaknesses in digital piano emulations. To my surprise, the opening sequence of the MIDI file has a rapid succession of short notes, and while I can hear all of them in Ivory, some are not audible in Pianoteq. I tried different presets and piano models, all with the same result.

Could some of you try to confirm this? I am not trying to bash Pianoteq, just would like to know what is going on.

Cheers,

Jack

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

Hi Jack

I have tried this file (pianotest1.mid) several times without any trouble.
Try increasing polyphony and latency.
Also try to uncheck "CPU overload detection" (under options/Perf/CPU)

I've been using pianoteq for 2 years now, and am very pleased with it. It keeps getting better and better - and the last reincarnation is quite amazing IMHO. I haven't had any hands on sample libraries - including Ivory, so it would be very interesting for me to hear you opinion (on sound and playability) - mine is already biased...

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

Hi Eran,

Sorry to insist, but at first I also thought there was no problem, until I actually tried the file in other soft instruments such as Ivory. Did you try playing the MIDI file in different instruments?

I followed your suggestions, but to no avail. Also looked into velocity mapping but all was fine.

The sound of Pianoteq has greatly matured. It sounds like a real piano, but with added playability. Only on polyphonic sustained notes I hear a bit of ringing that sounds synthetic, as if the piano suddenly turns into an organ. In the previous versions of Pianoteq, I always favored the sound of Ivory, but now it is a close call.

Cheers,

Jack

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

No problem here, every note gets played.

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

no problem here either!

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

Funkasizer, if you are using the pianoteq trial version, keep in mind that some of its keys are disabled ! That may explain the missing notes

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

julien wrote:

Funkasizer, if you are using the pianoteq trial version, keep in mind that some of its keys are disabled ! That may explain the missing notes :)

Oh, that's too funny!!!!!

(No problem hearing them here, either -- though I must admit that the opening is a rather sloppy run, IMHumO.  Try a MIDI of the piano parts for Rachmaninov's 2nd or 3rd piano concertos [two of my favourite "test" pieces, though you may want to add a little more pedal...].)

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julien wrote:

Funkasizer, if you are using the pianoteq trial version, keep in mind that some of its keys are disabled ! That may explain the missing notes

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

Maybe the missing notes should make a sound to remind the user. E.g "Doh!"

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

In fact, the missing notes used to make a duck quack, but that was a long time ago, before  pianoteq 1.0 release

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

julien wrote:

In fact, the missing notes used to make a duck quack, but that was a long time ago, before  pianoteq 1.0 release

Bring back the duck! (maybe we ARE getting a little off topic?)

I too love Rachmaninov! especially the 2nd.

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Re: Fast MIDI notes do not play?

julien wrote:

Funkasizer, if you are using the pianoteq trial version, keep in mind that some of its keys are disabled ! That may explain the missing notes

Thanks Julien for pointing this out. I feel so stupid. Although I was well aware of the disabled notes when playing Pianoteq myself, it somehow got lost in my brain when testing with the MIDI file.

Cheers,

Jack

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sigasa wrote:

Bring back the duck!

Ditto!  You beat me to it.  Maybe MODARTT could offer two demos:  silent and/or quacking. ;^)

(Next thing you know, you'll have pumpkins, Christmas trees, and Easter eggs dropping out of the interface at random points, leaving us thinking, "What the heck was THAT?!?")

sigasa wrote:

(maybe we ARE getting a little off topic?)

We always get off-topic...  At least _I_ do!

sigasa wrote:

I too love Rachmaninov! especially the 2nd.

And, seriously, all you have to do is look at the score to realize what a wonder it is -- I can't _believe_ that pianists actually try to play it from memory, because they must have to spend a month or two in a locked room with it.

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Duck would be too funny, but would probably bring misconception about Pianoteq to the rest of the world. Seriously, how serious is that?

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EvilDragon wrote:

Duck would be too funny, but would probably bring misconception about Pianoteq to the rest of the world. Seriously, how serious is that?

Not serious at all -- but the software speaks for itself!  (Life is serious enough, after all -- don't you agree?  ;^)

Going back to the original concern, one thing I particularly LOVE about this "instrument" (let's face facts, Pianoteq is _above_ being just a mere "program") is its responsiveness to different touches, just like real pianos.  If I want it to sound better (i.e., be more articulate) in faster music, I simply lower the impedance, and the result is remarkable.  On the other hand, I can simply slow the MIDI performance if I wish to leave the settings alone, and the result is just as excellent (kinda like playing a piece slower in a reverberant hall! -- not quite Celibidache speed, but...).

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