Hi all,
I bought Pianoteq 4.2 (stage) and the Bluthner extension, I like it very much.
I wonder if is it possible to get a different, brighter sound (I was thinking something like Yamaha c5 grand).
I downloaded the trial version of Pianoteq standard, and tried to play with the parameters (hammer hardness, eq, reverb...) but without much success.
Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks in advance, and sorry for the grammar.
Massimo
See the YC5 add-on, it may be what you want: http://www.pianoteq.com/commercial_addons#rock
See the YC5 add-on, it may be what you want: http://www.pianoteq.com/commercial_addons#rock
Thank you Giles,
I never thought to check a complitelly different piano model; I tried to hack the Bluthner to make it more brillant because I like it very much, but maybe it is too different.
The sound of the pt YC5 is a little bit "plastic" in my opinion... I'm looking for something like the yamaha C5 grand piano of Ivory II.
I know: sampled piano, different technology, ... But I like pt and the idea of physical model, and I think that if I can obtain a similar sound with the playability of the pt I can have the best of the two worlds.
Is it possible?
Thank you again
Massimo
In theory Modartt could updat YC5 to make it so natural as the new Bluthner add-on.
But it would take time, effort and oney. So it's not much viable right now.
In theory Modartt could updat YC5 to make it so natural as the new Bluthner add-on.
But it would take time, effort and oney. So it's not much viable right now.
It would be worth it though! Its not as if they'd be starting from scratch. Its already a good piano.
It would be worth it though! Its not as if they'd be starting from scratch. Its already a good piano.
Exactly, I think that to change the Bluthner should be easier than working on the YC5: to my ears, it seems that there is an huge difference in quality between the two models.
Massimo
Gilles wrote:See the YC5 add-on, it may be what you want: http://www.pianoteq.com/commercial_addons#rock
Thank you Giles,
I never thought to check a complitelly different piano model; I tried to hack the Bluthner to make it more brillant because I like it very much, but maybe it is too different.The sound of the pt YC5 is a little bit "plastic" in my opinion... I'm looking for something like the yamaha C5 grand piano of Ivory II.
I know: sampled piano, different technology, ... But I like pt and the idea of physical model, and I think that if I can obtain a similar sound with the playability of the pt I can have the best of the two worlds.
Is it possible?
Thank you again
Massimo
I agree the YC5 is a bit dated as compared to the much more natural Blüthner...I mentioned it only for the record since Pianoteq's analysing and modelling methods have greatly improved since that time, in my opinion.
I don't think it is possible to improve on the YC5 without recreating it from scratch, but it is sure possible to make a brighter Blüthner preset without destroying its fine sound. Here is a possibility:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.php?id=1612
Now you can't get a real Yamaha tone this way since a real instrument would have to be analysed and modelled with the current methods to get as fine a result as with the Blüthner. In my understanding, Pianoteq is like an iceberg with only the tip accessible for real-time modifications. The bulk of the model itself is hidden because it involves too much preprocessing and fine tuning by experts.
Just like each singing voice is more or less unique because of an individual's physical resonator configuration, each instrument maker produces a unique sound resulting from a very large amount of small details, that cannot be simply emulated by the tip of the iceberg at our disposition. A full analysis has to be done from scratch. We still can extensively tweak the presets to get closer to what we want, but if only visible parameters were sufficient, only one ptq file would be necessary, which is not the case...
barmassimo wrote:Gilles wrote:See the YC5 add-on, it may be what you want: http://www.pianoteq.com/commercial_addons#rock
Thank you Giles,
I never thought to check a complitelly different piano model; I tried to hack the Bluthner to make it more brillant because I like it very much, but maybe it is too different.The sound of the pt YC5 is a little bit "plastic" in my opinion... I'm looking for something like the yamaha C5 grand piano of Ivory II.
I know: sampled piano, different technology, ... But I like pt and the idea of physical model, and I think that if I can obtain a similar sound with the playability of the pt I can have the best of the two worlds.
Is it possible?
Thank you again
Massimo
I agree the YC5 is a bit dated as compared to the much more natural Blüthner...I mentioned it only for the record since Pianoteq's analysing and modelling methods have greatly improved since that time, in my opinion.
I don't think it is possible to improve on the YC5 without recreating it from scratch, but it is sure possible to make a brighter Blüthner preset without destroying its fine sound. Here is a possibility:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.php?id=1612
Now you can't get a real Yamaha tone this way since a real instrument would have to be analysed and modelled with the current methods to get as fine a result as with the Blüthner. In my understanding, Pianoteq is like an iceberg with only the tip accessible for real-time modifications. The bulk of the model itself is hidden because it involves too much preprocessing and fine tuning by experts.
Just like each singing voice is more or less unique because of an individual's physical resonator configuration, each instrument maker produces a unique sound resulting from a very large amount of small details, that cannot be simply emulated by the tip of the iceberg at our disposition. A full analysis has to be done from scratch. We still can extensively tweak the presets to get closer to what we want, but if only visible parameters were sufficient, only one ptq file would be necessary, which is not the case...
Thank you very much, my sound was similar but your is definetly better! Nice to use until pt creates a new piano from scratch...
Now it is very difficult for me to resist and avoid upgrading pt to the standard version (pt stage can load your preset, but parameters not available on pt standard are not affected...)
Anyway, great job!
Massimo
Now it is very difficult for me to resist and avoid upgrading pt to the standard version (pt stage can load your preset, but parameters not available on pt standard are not affected...)
Anyway, great job!
Massimo
Ooops! Sorry, I didn't think about that restriction (I'm using PRO). I guess you listened with the standard version demo.
Glad you liked it
Ooops! Sorry, I didn't think about that restriction (I'm using PRO). I guess you listened with the standard version demo.
Glad you liked it
Yes, I played with the trial version of pt standard.
The stage version ignores the parameters that are available only on standard and pro, while standard version can load pro settings without restrictions.
So I'll take a few days to decide if I really need the stage -> standard upgrade.
Again, thank you very much.
Massimo
Put on list the 3 pianos you would like to be reworked for pianoteq
(AKA: sound as natural as Bluthner add-on)
My list:
1-Erard
2-Bechstein
3-Pleyel
in My opinion the pleyel already is a pretty neat instrument in its current state. I love playing chopin's etude op 10 no 1 on the pleyel long preset for instance
Put on list the 3 pianos you would like to be reworked for pianoteq
(AKA: sound as natural as Bluthner add-on)My list:
1-Erard
2-Bechstein
3-Pleyel
As the thread title says, I would like to ear a new C5, no other requests for the moment!
bye
Massimo
Beto-Music wrote:Put on list the 3 pianos you would like to be reworked for pianoteq
(AKA: sound as natural as Bluthner add-on)My list:
1-Erard
2-Bechstein
3-PleyelAs the thread title says, I would like to ear a new C5, no other requests for the moment!
bye
Massimo
I agree! since Pianoteq launched the most requested pianos seems to be:
a Steinway (D), a Bosendorfer, a Yamaha, a Fazioli and a upright.
I think this is partly because all the sampled based software have concentrated their efforts on these.
The previous pianos should eventually get an upgrade as and when the technology improves.