Topic: WOW a Bluthner - Thank you
Thank you so much Modartt!
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One of my favorite piano sounds. Have just bought the license and I'm running it in Stage. It sounds remarkably similar to my Bluther Grand piano (its an +-1890 model that's been restored)
Most impressed
Buy it
Now
Right now
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Congrats on the new Blüthner, Philippe et al, it sounds lovely!
cheers
Hans
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Great! I'll give it a run as soon as possible
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Wow! I really hate spending money, but this is seriously tugging at my wallet. Clean and open, very responsive, super detailed. Very nice.
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It's one of the most versatile pianos that Modartt has ever released. Don't let the piano name/brand fool you because this piano is equally at home with jazz and pop as it is with classical. After all, Sir Paul used a Bluthner <smile>. I simply LOVE this piano and the presets are so inspiring IMHO. Extremely playable, crisp and responsive with a smooth tone that reacts to ppp -->>fff with ease. I can't say enough about how wonderful this piano is to play.
I'm a jazz player FWIW. You might want to check out the Jazz Blues demos..... <selfish plug> !.... Seriously though, this is a really nice sounding piano IMHO.
SteveO
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Interesting...
Somehow it soundsa bit more organic then D4 Grand (Steinway)
Good Work Philippe !!
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Beto-Music wrote:
Interesting...
Somehow it sounds a bit more organic then D4 Grand (Steinway)
Good Work Philippe !!
Good description IMHO.
Wait till you play it....
VERY, VERY different from the D4....
Night and day in fact.
Both great pianos, but quite different not only in sound but playability.
The dynamics and "string pop" on the Bluthner are outstanding.
Yet it can also go very mellow with a nice smooth sound that doesn't jump out yet articulates the notes.
It's difficult to describe, but from my perspective this piano is very inspiring.
Not a hint of metallic sound, harshness, mushiness or lackluster sound in this instrument.
It really does adapt to the player much more so than some other pianos I have played and believe me when I say I own or have owned just about all of them.
SteveO
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This is the first non historical grand piano digitally modelled recreated that Moddart call by the name brand iteslf.
The Steinay D model was called just D4, but now they recreated a Bluthner and called it by the brand itself Bluthner.
I have a feeling that Modart did another advance in sound quality, and now is feeling more secure to recreate original brands models.
I bet they already have plans for a Bosendorfer, if are not already working on it.
Edited: "Yamaha C5 was almost the first digitally recreatred non historical model Moddart called by the brand name, as it was called YC5 and advertised as a moddeled from Yamaha C5"
jazzkeys88 wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:Interesting...
Somehow it sounds a bit more organic then D4 Grand (Steinway)
Good Work Philippe !!
Good description IMHO.
Wait till you play it....
VERY, VERY different from the D4....
Night and day in fact.
Both great pianos, but quite different not only in sound but playability.The dynamics and "string pop" on the Bluthner are outstanding.
Yet it can also go very mellow with a nice smooth sound that doesn't jump out yet articulates the notes.It's difficult to describe, but from my perspective this piano is very inspiring.
Not a hint of metallic sound, harshness, mushiness or lackluster sound in this instrument.
It really does adapt to the player much more so than some other pianos I have played and believe me when I say I own or have owned just about all of them.
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The Pianoteq Bluther is gorgeous. Really wonderful. Thank you to all at ModArtt. This is a fabulous physical model. ... To put that into perspective, I should re-spell *fabulous* : FABULOUS (+ MAGNIFICENT!).
Thanks very much!
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Beautiful model! The D4 is my "warm" piano and the Bluthner will be my "sparkling" piano. I don't think I could achieve that sound by EQing the D4! Very articulate without being too edgy. -Perry-
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amazing feeling
I Love Modarrt
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Very much enjoying the new Bluthner Grand Piano... clear, powerful, and fun to play. I think it triples the value of my whole PianoTeq setup.
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Love it!!! Thank You Modarrt! I am playing things I never played before....just flows outa me!!!
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Kramster wrote:
Love it!!! Thank You Modarrt! I am playing things I never played before....just flows outa me!!!
That's exactly what happens to me when I play this piano.
Very inspiring and I find I play tunes differently than I normally do when playing it.
It's a very refreshing change to some of the other pianos I own.
Modarrt hit the nail right on the head with this instrument in my opinion because it has a character all it's own.
I have not heard or more importantly played anything like it from the competition.
SteveO
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The problem with pianoteq today it's a little of bad reputation, due the first versions.
But now with the Bluthner virtual model, it's clear that pianoteq technology is getting really good.
But you know... there are people that when heard the name pianoteq get angry, remambering the older versions, V1 V2, or some few piano notes of V3...
I have a idea... What about change the name ??? Or maybe add a second name to pianoteq...
What about pianoteq phoenix or pianoteq Grand ? Or something that reinforces a" reborn", reborn to a new natural sound of piano.
A idea for a year or two from now, when more refined models like Bluthner arrive.
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Studiocat wrote:
Beautiful model! The D4 is my "warm" piano and the Bluthner will be my "sparkling" piano. I don't think I could achieve that sound by EQing the D4! Very articulate without being too edgy. -Perry-
I am wondering ...
Do you think the Bluthner was developed starting with one of the presets already available within Pianoteq and tweaking various parameters until ... viola ... Bluthner !
Or was it started from a position not available to the user and that "hidden" sound tweaked, etc ...
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ddascher wrote:
Studiocat wrote:Beautiful model! The D4 is my "warm" piano and the Bluthner will be my "sparkling" piano. I don't think I could achieve that sound by EQing the D4! Very articulate without being too edgy. -Perry-
I am wondering ...
Do you think the Bluthner was developed starting with one of the presets already available within Pianoteq and tweaking various parameters until ... viola ... Bluthner !
Or was it started from a position not available to the user and that "hidden" sound tweaked, etc ...
The Blüthner model was started from scratch, using as reference a Blüthner Model One recorded in the FWL Studios Leipzig. Because there are a lot of parameters that are not accessible via the interface (which provides a sort of general control tool for these parameters), it is not possible to obtain the Blüthner model by starting from the D4 model and changing parameters in the user interface - although it is possible to reduce the “distance” between the two models with appropriate settings.
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Philippe Guillaume wrote:
ddascher wrote:Studiocat wrote:Beautiful model! The D4 is my "warm" piano and the Bluthner will be my "sparkling" piano. I don't think I could achieve that sound by EQing the D4! Very articulate without being too edgy. -Perry-
I am wondering ...
Do you think the Bluthner was developed starting with one of the presets already available within Pianoteq and tweaking various parameters until ... viola ... Bluthner !
Or was it started from a position not available to the user and that "hidden" sound tweaked, etc ...
The Blüthner model was started from scratch, using as reference a Blüthner Model One recorded in the FWL Studios Leipzig. Because there are a lot of parameters that are not accessible via the interface (which provides a sort of general control tool for these parameters), it is not possible to obtain the Blüthner model by starting from the D4 model and changing parameters in the user interface - although it is possible to reduce the “distance” between the two models with appropriate settings.
And, of course, that makes sense and gives birth to another thought, in my mind anyway.
It must be possible (via the user interface) to return each of the D4 presets to a "starting point", that being the point at which you stopped tweaking parameters which were not accessible via the interface and tweaked with interface accessible parameters only. True ?
Not sure where I am going with this ... LOL ... Curiosity I guess.
Is it possible to reduce each of the D4 presets (or any preset) to its' base preset
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ddascher wrote:
And, of course, that makes sense and gives birth to another thought, in my mind anyway.
It must be possible (via the user interface) to return each of the D4 presets to a "starting point", that being the point at which you stopped tweaking parameters which were not accessible via the interface and tweaked with interface accessible parameters only. True ?
Not sure where I am going with this ... LOL ... Curiosity I guess.
Is it possible to reduce each of the D4 presets (or any preset) to its' base preset
There is indeed a 'basic' preset on which we did very few tweakings with interface accessible parameters: the preset called 'D4 Classical BA'. For the Blüthner, it is the one called 'Bluethner Model One BA'.
These are also the presets we recommend to use as starting point when creating new presets, unless of course some other preset is already closer to the target sound.
I don't know if you had the opportunity to have a look at it, I suggest that you visit our workshops page http://www.pianoteq.com/d4_in_action?s=d4_workshop, you may find some interest in it.
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Philippe, something that people maybe didn't thought much, and I believe it's important step, it's the fact the Bluthner add on be the first pianoteq model recreation of a modern piano authorized by the manufacturer.
Well, how was the process, approache Bluthner pianos and show pianoteq features, request a permition to use a bluthner for reference and use the brand name?
Considering Bluthner have also their own digital pianos, I presume they got impressed with pianoteq to allow use their name.
May I presume this is just the first of many authorized brands add on for pianoteq?
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Philippe Guillaume wrote:
ddascher wrote:And, of course, that makes sense and gives birth to another thought, in my mind anyway.
It must be possible (via the user interface) to return each of the D4 presets to a "starting point", that being the point at which you stopped tweaking parameters which were not accessible via the interface and tweaked with interface accessible parameters only. True ?
Not sure where I am going with this ... LOL ... Curiosity I guess.
Is it possible to reduce each of the D4 presets (or any preset) to its' base preset
There is indeed a 'basic' preset on which we did very few tweakings with interface accessible parameters: the preset called 'D4 Classical BA'. For the Blüthner, it is the one called 'Bluethner Model One BA'.
These are also the presets we recommend to use as starting point when creating new presets, unless of course some other preset is already closer to the target sound.
I don't know if you had the opportunity to have a look at it, I suggest that you visit our workshops page http://www.pianoteq.com/d4_in_action?s=d4_workshop, you may find some interest in it.
Is there a list of the parameters that we don't have access to, but could if they were unlocked? People are always making feature request and I wonder if its already a hidden feature.
Maybe we could have a version called Pianotechies for the ultimate user?
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Beto-Music wrote:
Philippe, something that people maybe didn't thought much, and I believe it's important step, it's the fact the Bluthner add on be the first pianoteq model recreation of a modern piano authorized by the manufacturer.
Well, how was the process, approache Bluthner pianos and show pianoteq features, request a permition to use a bluthner for reference and use the brand name?
Considering Bluthner have also their own digital pianos, I presume they got impressed with pianoteq to allow use their name.May I presume this is just the first of many authorized brands add on for pianoteq?
Beto-Music, yes, we made big efforts for capturing the originality of the sound of the Blüthner, and we were indeed very proud that Blüthner gave us permission to modelize their grand Model One and authorized us to publish the Blüthner add-on. BTW, I have visited their manufactory and was really impressed by the very high quality of their manufacturing.
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Is there a list of the parameters that we don't have access to, but could if they were unlocked? People are always making feature request and I wonder if its already a hidden feature.
Maybe we could have a version called Pianotechies for the ultimate user?
There are indeed many other parameters, but I don't think it would make much sense to include them in the interface: it would just end up with an extraordinary complex UI that would be pratically unsuable.
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The Bluthner is truly amazing and a joy to play, downloaded it last night, didn't get to bed till 4:30 and was late for work this morning.
The warm mellow tone combined with the tingling resonance of the aliquot string system in the upper register have been faithfully reproduced.
It's good to know that Bluthner have endorsed PTQ and nice to see the Bluthner logo on the main screen, would love to see Fazioli, Steinway & Bosendorfer up there too.
Thought the D4 would be a hard act to follow but the good stuff just keeps on coming.
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This:
http://www.schott-music.co.uk/shop/1/show,38222.html
(on the Studio Recording preset).
It was one of my red-letter internet days when I discovered there was a transcription. But never did I imagine I might one day sit at the keyboard and replicate the sound as well. Amazing.
Modartt - thank you very much!
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Well, to be honest: I think, a piano modell should be part of the programm, not an Add-On.
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Experimentor wrote:
Well, to be honest: I think, a piano modell should be part of the programm, not an Add-On.
Well, another way to think of it is that by making it an add-on users who do not wish to use that piano type do not have to pay for it. If you include it into the program, then everyone has to pay for it in the price of the program. Remember, Modartt has to make money somewhere or they stop doing this.
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Actually when you buy Pianoteq you should only pay for the Piano software.
And from there you can add-on the instruments you want.
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John Krajewski wrote:
The Bluthner is truly amazing and a joy to play, downloaded it last night, didn't get to bed till 4:30 and was late for work this morning.
The warm mellow tone combined with the tingling resonance of the aliquot string system in the upper register have been faithfully reproduced.
It's good to know that Bluthner have endorsed PTQ and nice to see the Bluthner logo on the main screen, would love to see Fazioli, Steinway & Bosendorfer up there too.
Thought the D4 would be a hard act to follow but the good stuff just keeps on coming.
This piano has character, and you can even play Mozart on it! Try to play Mozart on say the EastWest Bosendorfer - which has some rich sounds - and you can't do it without a completely unnecessary and unacceptable amount of work. Totally in agreement here - Pianoteq has matured to the next stage, and if it keeps up the pace, we will be experiencing most of the joy and reward of many (not just one) of the world's best pianos in our homes and studios.