Is PianoTeq ever going hybrid?

Physical modelling...?

Hybrid pianos like modelling+samples???

Don't be so sure this exist exactly as you think !!!

Pianoteq is modelled, but it's it's not the ordinary modelling that media push, cause pianoteq generate the core sound itself alowing change things like impedance, piano size, hammer hardness.
Many products called "MODELLED" don't do this, cause it's not really modelled, and do not generate the sound from mathematic equation, but instead just have samples and apply some advanced filters over that.

Filters to enhance samples for a piano library or DP exist since 7 years ago or more.  From Kornel Mezzo symphatetic resonance scripts, to GEM Pro Mega 3 digital piano's ability to create several intermediate velocities from given number of samples for key velocity plus piano resobnance and key resonance. And such products were honest enough to do do call thenselves as modelled.

The small softwares that have some filters to add sympathetic resonance and large velocity keys, that today are selled as hybrid of modelled and sampler, it's nothing more than a very small sampler with many digital filters. It's just marketing to say that it's HD friendly, but it's not modelled at all, at least from my perspective.
Such products can't change hammer hardness, piano size, unison etc...  It's no way modelled as pianoteq.

The only hybrid approuch I can imagine for pianoteq, is to use some samples of some woodness effects to lay over the piano sound .But how would be possible to record just some woodness sounds???  Maybe by modelled itself (leaving a computer computating it for hours to get very natural)

If adding reverb, from a room, is so accurate as to handle St Paul's, say, and that's got essentially from sampling the response of the target space in air, why wouldn't a similar approach work via sampling, per note if need be, in a target sound board?

A great idea. Apart from these superb ideas I think there is no need for pianoteq to go "more" hybrid as it is. At least I love the idea behind how it is now, and dropped using all of my sample-based pianos. Well, different tastes and different wishes, of course.

Interesting Stangy - I knew nothing about that piano until now. I've been thinking about how a hybrid piano would work.

I use WIVI (modeled orchestral brass and woodwinds). Works well, but sometimes sounds organ-like. I also have sampled pianos and orchestral instruments. I generally find the whole thing frustrating, but at least I can either make good mock-ups, or decent enough commercially released productions, which is good enough for me.

But a hybrid piano. How would that work? In WIVI, the instrument and space is modeled. For a piano, what part of that would be sampled? I also have a product that is a guitar amp's cabinet and room simulator (Live G in DP). It's a combination of IRs for the cabs, and room models (I believe).

Would the strings/notes be sampled, maybe mixed with molded strings and room, with soundboard and hammer IRs? Or am I way off base? I don't know if mixing string samples and models would work or not. Seems like any phase issues could be fixed but not sure if overtones would create problems. I don't know enough about acoustic physics to know, but I'm curious.

Sample Modeling (the company) makes hybrid brass. I'll look into that. But it seems like a hybrid piano would be very difficult. There is so much going on in a piano.

And of course, we're listening to these products through a pair of speakers. And a different pair of speakers and environment for each person.

I like the efforts made by those that are building special speaker cabinets and adding IRs and such. Such a great idea.

Here's the Sample Modeling link...

http://www.samplemodeling.com/en/technology.php

But what about recording? Would you rather mic a piano in a room or use PianoTeq? (in general). That's a situation where you have a real piano, being mic'd, in a room, getting tracked and heard through monitors vs PianoTeq through monitors.

Or are you saying, maybe due to the Pro version, and any sound analysis you may have done to customize PianoTeq Pro, you feel completely comfortable with the outcome? And this could be in any musical situation... solo piano, classical, jazz, pop, etc..

Or is this a non-issue for you? Maybe I'm not talking about the same thing as you. Make sense?

Just a small example. One of my sample libs is Piano In Blue by Cinesamples... It's the Steinway used on Kind of Blue (Bill Evans) and Gould's early Goldberg session (I think), in the same room with the same mics (I think). I hear it's flaws sometimes (noise floor, sample layers, etc...), but it mixes well in some situations. It sounds real. PianoTeq too, but in different situations. Sometimes neither really works. Just an example. Any thoughts?

I understand your point about creating tones instead of playing back recorded tones.