Topic: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

In this live rendition of her song "Sunrise", Norah Jones plays a lot of - pardon my vocabulary - fat sounding, rolling licks. How does she do this? Is she rolling over keys with both hands at the same time? There is a solo after the second chorus where you can hear these licks more isolated - skip to 1:52.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss3148ZXwuc

Could anyone describe in text or recommend a video that goes through the anatomy of these licks?

Any help much appreciated!

Last edited by nothingbutblues (17-05-2012 10:02)

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

Well, several times in the video, I hear hammer-ons. An old gospel and Floyd Cramer type of thing. Usually the right pinky plays the high tonic or the 5th of the chord and the thumb plays the 2nd of the scale and the first finger hammers onto the third, or the right pinky hits the upper tonic and the thumb hits the 4th of the scale and the first finger hammers on to the 5th of the scale. But there are variations when one is moving to a new chord with a walk-down, and the exact timing of when the high tonic note is played and of course the rhythmic division of the hammer-on can vary a lot. (Contrary motion is used, often, both in going from suspended chords to the triad and in walk-downs, possibly fattening the sound, since it moves towards resolution from and onto different intervals at the same time, but I don't hear that so much in the video.)

She also slides into notes. But starting at 1:52, I think I hear the guitar player sliding into some of the same notes, and that confuses the sound a bit. Was it exactly at 1:52 that you meant?   

I wish that there was a good book on this type of playing. There are many books on blues playing, of course, but little about old gospel or what I call "rock gospel." Harrison's Rock Piano has a few pages, and there is a good Homespun DVD with Ethel Caffie-Austin. Several web sites offer "gospel piano" lessons, but most seem to focus on modern, smoother gospel playing, which uses more extended chords and few walk-downs and little hammering. Does anyone else know of good books or videos? (Someone at Sam Ash once told me "That type of playing is just chords." I asked if he could play it. He said, "Well, no.")

Last edited by Jake Johnson (17-05-2012 17:41)

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

(And, in the hope that you will like the playing, allow me to recyle this reference to a video of some fairly simple but fat sounding piano playing. Made me respect someone whose albums I didn't listen to much:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfvGMeBE60 )

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

Jake Johnson wrote:

(Someone at Sam Ash once told me "That type of playing is just chords." I asked if he could play it. He said, "Well, no.")

And he was right
There is a old jazz technique called 'block chords' that she uses a lot here. Basically the original tech states that you should play always 4/5 notes for every melody note. The right hand plays the melody with fourth and fifth fingers, the left hand double it in  the octave below and the other fingers of the right hand play the harmony.
Now it's been elaborated in a lot of ways but this is the basic principle (see Oscar Peterson, BIll Evans and others of that period).

Last edited by etto (17-05-2012 20:59)

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

Jake Johnson wrote:

(And, in the hope that you will like the playing, allow me to recyle this reference to a video of some fairly simple but fat sounding piano playing. Made me respect someone whose albums I didn't listen to much:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfvGMeBE60 )

Very nice playing and singing too

As you can see I like a lot to play it even if it's not the same technique I've mentioned above..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlGVT_hq0F4

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

etto wrote:
Jake Johnson wrote:

(Someone at Sam Ash once told me "That type of playing is just chords." I asked if he could play it. He said, "Well, no.")

And he was right
There is a old jazz technique called 'block chords' that she uses a lot here. Basically the original tech states that you should play always 4/5 notes for every melody note. The right hand plays the melody with fourth and fifth fingers, the left hand double it in  the octave below and the other fingers of the right hand play the harmony.
Now it's been elaborated in a lot of ways but this is the basic principle (see Oscar Peterson, BIll Evans and others of that period).

If you don't know ... ask Etto
(i dream just to had even one third of your knowledge ...) you're the best

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

ahah you are to kind imyself, thanx.
I can't find the smile with red cheeks so I'll put this one

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

etto wrote:

ahah you are to kind imyself, thanx.
I can't find the smile with red cheeks so I'll put this one

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

The black keys are you friend for starters. While the left hand are playing rythmic chords the right hand plays a lick or melody which can be considered having two or more voices.

Try this with your right hand  - play c3 with finger 5 and let the 2 finger slide on f#2 to g2. Sorry for my poor explanation but one keypoint for a beginner can be to learn to use the blackkeys to slide or "roll" to a semitone up and down.

Theres lots of fakebooks for gospel and blues around on the net were you can learn these kinds of licks and techniques using notes to describe them. Then practice, practice, practice....

Re: How do I play these fat sounding, rolling Norah Jones licks?

This book helped me a lot with study of chords progressions and close harmonizing (voicing?):

http://www.amazon.com/Innovations-Chord...B0007F03LO

I bought it in the '80 so maybe now is a little difficult to find it but if you can don't hesitate

Last edited by etto (18-05-2012 11:34)