Topic: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing

Dear Pianoteq users,

We have noticed that some users are speculating regarding Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing, so we hereby clarify once for all.

The Pianoteq 4 upgrade will be free for everyone who purchased Pianoteq after 1 January 2011. For those who purchased before, the upgrade fee will be 29 €. We plan to release Pianoteq 4 very soon and expect it to be a very significant upgrade.

If you have any further questions regarding this subject, do not hesitate contacting our sales department at sales@pianoteq.com.

Thanks,
Niclas

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Looking forward

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so good , many thanks

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Niclas Fogwall wrote:

Dear Pianoteq users,
...
We plan to release Pianoteq 4 very soon and expect it to be a very significant upgrade.
...
Niclas

Hummm, a very small price for an uptade and we are close...

Yesss!!!

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Awesome news. I bought Pianoteq Play on 2011, I'm happy to see that I can upgrade for free! But such your hard (and awesome) work should not go unpaid, so when 4 comes out I'll either upgrade it to Standard or I'll get an add-on.

I hope you'll continue to support GNU/Linux?

Thanks and success with the testing and debugging!

Last edited by grimborg (12-03-2012 16:15)

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grimborg wrote:

But such your hard (and awesome) work should not go unpaid, so when 4 comes out I'll either upgrade it to Standard or I'll get an add-on.

This is a very kind and nice gesture from you, sir! Bravo!

Hard work and guts!

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I am hooked. Hope it won't be long in coming.
Mercy buckets!

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Niclas Fogwall wrote:

For those who purchased before, the upgrade fee will be 29 €.

Now, this was unexpected! I was anticipating the upgrade price to be a more significant percentage of the full price, at least with the Standard version.

Thanks for your hard work and reasonable pricing! We're all looking forward to PT4.

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permettez moi:)
je redécouvre les vidéos sur la création de Pianoteq, et j'avoue etre profondement admiratif de la creativité et de l'ingeniosité de Phillipe Guillaume createur,avec son équipe, de ce logiciel unique en son genre...

pour ceux qui ne connaissent pas, c'est très intéressant (9 parties):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1WSzsE...re=related

allow me:)
I rediscovered the videos on the creation of Pianoteq, and I must be deeply appreciative of the creativity and ingenuity of Phillipe Guillaume creator, with his team, this software unique in its kind ...

for those who do not know, it is very interesting: (9 parts in french language)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1WSzsE...re=related

Last edited by imyself (12-03-2012 18:06)

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I remember those videos

Thank you very much for the super fair upgrade price!!
I'll be one of the first

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Nice upgrade price.

But one question. I ordered Pianoteq Play in december 2010 and upgraded it to standard later in 2011.
Will I have a free upgrade too?

Thanks.

FJ

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That upgrade price  is extraordinarily low, I was expecting it to be much more! Can't wait to what's new!

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This is exciting news. May I also say a big thank you for what is an extremely reasonable price for the upgrade. Thank you all at Modartt for your relentless hard work.

Last edited by Pianotrancer (13-03-2012 01:45)

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Well, I liked the words .... SOON .... and SIGNIFICANT !

It is pretty good right now so significant should really be sweet.

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EvilDragon wrote:
grimborg wrote:

But such your hard (and awesome) work should not go unpaid, so when 4 comes out I'll either upgrade it to Standard or I'll get an add-on.

This is a very kind and nice gesture from you, sir! Bravo!

Very nice gesture indeed!

M-Audio Profire 610 / Roland Fp-3 / Reaper / PianoTeq!
www.myspace.com/etalmor

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Yippee!!! Are you SURE it's only 29 Euros to upgrade!!! My you ARE a GREAT software company!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH MODARTT, you make me very 

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Will there by any chance be a special fee for those of us with Pianoteq Play to upgrade to Pianoteq Standard? I was thinking this would be a good opportunity to move up.

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Can't wait!

Might have to buy some more speakers for this release, too, to add surround. Ohh yeah. Does anyone else use surround with the current version? Is it good?

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Fine !!!
I am waiting... We are waiting... Everybody is waiting for the next release !

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FJ wrote:

Nice upgrade price.

But one question. I ordered Pianoteq Play in december 2010 and upgraded it to standard later in 2011.
Will I have a free upgrade too?

Thanks.

FJ

Yes. The rule also applies to everyone who purchase/purchased an upgrade after 1 January 2011.

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rlburnside wrote:

Can't wait!

Might have to buy some more speakers for this release, too, to add surround. Ohh yeah. Does anyone else use surround with the current version? Is it good?

Hi RL . .  Consider an I/O interface such as the M-Audio firewire 410.  Experiment with the recording mic settings and positions in PTQ.  Firewire from your computer to the 410 can keep the five mics separated according to the way you set them in PTQ.  Then the 410 has separate audio line outs to go to separate amps and speakers.  Actually, just four outputs to a couple of modestly priced stereos will give you excellent sound and presence.

Lanny

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Niclas Fogwall wrote:
FJ wrote:

Nice upgrade price.

But one question. I ordered Pianoteq Play in december 2010 and upgraded it to standard later in 2011.
Will I have a free upgrade too?

Thanks.

FJ

Yes. The rule also applies to everyone who purchase/purchased an upgrade after 1 January 2011.

Modartt is great !!!

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Modartt could include some special promotions...

Maybe something like:  Buying a given value in add ons (let's say 85f) someone get free updat to V4.

Perhaps this help to attract people.

Last edited by Beto-Music (15-03-2012 00:14)

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Thanks, I got Pianoteq not long ago and I can't wait for Pianoteq 4!, why?, because 3 is already so good!, if 4 is a significant improvement then we will have the best piano sound ever.

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Niclas Fogwall wrote:
FJ wrote:

Nice upgrade price.

But one question. I ordered Pianoteq Play in december 2010 and upgraded it to standard later in 2011.
Will I have a free upgrade too?

Thanks.

FJ

Yes. The rule also applies to everyone who purchase/purchased an upgrade after 1 January 2011.

That is just great.

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29 euros is ridiculous, we will all upgrade !
I am very excited

Thank you again for Pianoteq

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I bought Standard in 2011 and already upgraded to Pro later in 2011, without exactly knowing what there is inside it (meaning, I have no clue how to use the tons and tons of possibilities best, but I wanted to support such a wonderful plugin).
29 Euro is such a fair and more than great price for an update, outside of the world of this forum a lot more people should know how superb pianoteq is (well they could demo it, of course, and those with fine ears won't need us preaching ;-)).
I think with the release of v4 even more users will come "into the boat".

The "pro" edition, for all who do not own that one, is so wonderful for experimenting, too...even for people like me who have no university grade concerning the buildings of pianos

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A month ago we were told "soon" .... I'm wondering if it is really going to be worth the wait, as wait increases the chance of meeting expectations decreases.

At some point whatever is actually delivered in 4.0 will be a disappointment, if not already passed that point is probably soon (that word again).

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In my dictionary one month still classifies as "soon"


And don't worry, it will DEFINITELY be worth the wait. Begone, your skepticism!

Last edited by EvilDragon (14-04-2012 08:59)
Hard work and guts!

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A month ago we were told "soon" ….

We are now in the  "extremely soon" zone. Who knows, it may even happen during next week !

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julien wrote:

A month ago we were told "soon" ….

We are now in the  "extremely soon" zone. Who knows, it may even happen during next week !

Perhaps it is now a month sooner than it was a month ago, although if the schedule is slipping in real time it could now be farther away than it was a month ago.

OTOH, if it appears next week I would guess that the strategy has been to sacrifice content or quality in order to maintain a schedule.
{Content, Quality, Schedule; Pick any two :-D }

I don't pretend to understand the seasonal nature of this market segment, but I doubt that Spring is optimum, October/November would be my guess for seasonal buyers (gift givers).

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Nothing was sacrifised, man. Beta-testing took months, literally, exchanging new ideas, bringing Pianoteq to a whole new level. You'll see! Good things always take time, you know that, right?


Why are you so pessimistic/sceptic?

Last edited by EvilDragon (14-04-2012 11:30)
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julien wrote:

We are now in the  "extremely soon" zone. Who knows, it may even happen during next week !

great news

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Will there be an upgrade special price - for those using Play to move to Standard, for instance?

Thanks in advance,
G

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Photo_G wrote:

Will there be an upgrade special price - for those using Play to move to Standard, for instance?

Thanks in advance,
G

All product upgrades (as in your case Play to Standard) will include the upgrade to version 4.

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Niclas Fogwall wrote:
Photo_G wrote:

Will there be an upgrade special price - for those using Play to move to Standard, for instance?

Thanks in advance,
G

All product upgrades (as in your case Play to Standard) will include the upgrade to version 4.

So I assume the upgrade price from Play to Standard (including the Pianoteq 4 upgrade) will be $190, as on the website? Just want to make sure I understand correctly, thanks.

Last edited by marzzz (14-04-2012 19:51)

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Any problem, in case V4 the release was shortned, could be solved quite easy, since a update for bug fix it's fast and practical.

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marzzz wrote:

So I assume the upgrade price from Play to Standard (including the Pianoteq 4 upgrade) will be $190, as on the website? Just want to make sure I understand correctly, thanks.

Correct, the product upgrade prices will not change.

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EvilDragon wrote:

Nothing was sacrifised, man. Beta-testing took months, literally, exchanging new ideas, bringing Pianoteq to a whole new level. You'll see! Good things always take time, you know that, right?


Why are you so pessimistic/sceptic?

Just a sense of overly optimistic predictions that V4 will be the ultimate "Piano Sampler Killer" :-D
Somehow I doubt it.

I only have the V3 demo, but even that appears to have far more adjustable parameters than anyone could reasonably want/need - assuming they want to keep SOME time in their lives available for actually PLAYING.
I am not very impressed with the included instruments as set up, I doubt that I could do any better, so I arrive at the conclusion that this is the best they can be - after all, they are DEMOS and one would expect them to show off the product to its best.
I am still trying to understand what Pianotek actually IS (to me).
If it is a piano emulator that is FINE, but physical pianos are very fixed once they have been built.
I think I can see what it offers and some of that could lead to an eternal dissatisfaction with the sound, a little more of one thing, a little less of something else.

Perhaps it is an experimenter's lab kit ?  which is probably OK for sound tweaker hobbyists, but I think I am not in that market.

3 or 4 very good pianos is about all I want.  I want the sound of the strings, the board and the case.
I am not at all interested in emulation of any thumps, clunks, squeaks, key noises, or anything else that the physical builders tried so hard for so long remove. 
I am quite sure that if a "perfect felt" is ever developed the top builders will use it "in a heartbeat"   :-D

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tractor_music wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:

Nothing was sacrifised, man. Beta-testing took months, literally, exchanging new ideas, bringing Pianoteq to a whole new level. You'll see! Good things always take time, you know that, right?


Why are you so pessimistic/sceptic?

Just a sense of overly optimistic predictions that V4 will be the ultimate "Piano Sampler Killer" :-D
Somehow I doubt it.

I only have the V3 demo, but even that appears to have far more adjustable parameters than anyone could reasonably want/need - assuming they want to keep SOME time in their lives available for actually PLAYING.
I am not very impressed with the included instruments as set up, I doubt that I could do any better, so I arrive at the conclusion that this is the best they can be - after all, they are DEMOS and one would expect them to show off the product to its best.
I am still trying to understand what Pianotek actually IS (to me).
If it is a piano emulator that is FINE, but physical pianos are very fixed once they have been built.
I think I can see what it offers and some of that could lead to an eternal dissatisfaction with the sound, a little more of one thing, a little less of something else.

Perhaps it is an experimenter's lab kit ?  which is probably OK for sound tweaker hobbyists, but I think I am not in that market.

3 or 4 very good pianos is about all I want.  I want the sound of the strings, the board and the case.
I am not at all interested in emulation of any thumps, clunks, squeaks, key noises, or anything else that the physical builders tried so hard for so long remove. 
I am quite sure that if a "perfect felt" is ever developed the top builders will use it "in a heartbeat"   :-D

If you don't want these extra thumps, clunks, squeaks, key noises, then Pianoteq really must be something for you, because you can remove them if you like ;-)
But all these small noises IS the piano as well as the strings, the board and the case.
They all just have to be the "right" noises to sound like a real piano

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tractor_music wrote:

[...]
If it is a piano emulator that is FINE, but physical pianos are very fixed once they have been built.
[...]

Hello Tractor_Music

I am able to sympathize with your concerns, of which only one sentence is quoted here. 

If we were to draw an analogy of a fixed piano design (once it is built), I might suggest that Pianoteq is similar to a zoom lens in a video camera.  It is true that most casual videographers zoom in and out too much (especially when they have just acquired a new video camera), almost to the point that viewers get "seasick" watching the resulting video.

This point was driven home to me, when I bought my first video camcorder many years ago.  A trusted friend told me to think of the zoom feature as "a fixed lens with variable focal lengths".  In other words, he suggested that I zoom in first (before shooting), and not to change the zoom while recording; if I wanted other views, then change the zoom before continuing to shoot.

I believe the above experience has an appropriate application to Pianoteq.  Think of each Pianoteq model (M3, C3, K1, etc.) as a fixed piano design, once you have acquired the sound and playability characteristics you enjoy.  A different repertoire may allow you to retain your favorite setting, or you are able to select a different perspective of piano. 

Enough of my rambling, as I tend to type much more than originally intended.


Cheers,

Joe

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Just had to say, they never said soon, they said, very soon, and even when I rarely post I've been checking dialy since then hehe, I bet I'm not the only one.

On the other hand my expectation, even when I consider pianoteq 3 extremely good, is a more beautiful sound, thunderous bass and better attack, with that I can rest in peace piano wise.

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Thanks for the telephoto lens analogy, I really liked that.

Presets for Steinway, Bosendorfer & Yamaha C7 as built, I can't see the sense of for example making the C7's hammers more like the Steinway's hammers, other than for an amusement value in the experiment.

For the life of me I can't see the sense in having a 10m string or sound board length, in fact the more I think about it the more I realize that this "feature" may be one of those that I find very disturbing.

Since a physical piano of such size will not be built there can be no way of calibrating the credibility of any such model.
 
Larger and ever larger violins are just larger violins, but at some point they should transition to violas, cellos, basses, etc.
Without building one (& we can't) I assume that the 10m piano would be a TOTALLY different instrument - in so many dimensions(pun intended).  I can't accept that it would just be "a longer piano".

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Rohade wrote:

Just had to say, they never said soon, they said, very soon, and even when I rarely post I've been checking dialy since then hehe, I bet I'm not the only one.

On the other hand my expectation, even when I consider pianoteq 3 extremely good, is a more beautiful sound, thunderous bass and better attack, with that I can rest in peace piano wise.

I should probably try to find this out via PTQ itself, but are there not sufficient adjustable parameters for you to be able to achieve this in PTQ 3 ?

Having asked that has prompted what is probably either a learning curve or usability question;
Is it not sufficiently obvious to you WHICH adjustable parameters increase/decrease "thunderous base" and "better attack" ?  {In synth terms; Do you not have control over the shape & size of the ASDR envelope and some EQ ?, although I believe the PTQ model is quite a bit more complex than that} 

You are not the only one looking daily; I am also checking vendor web sites for pre-announcement clues, sneak peeks, beta reviews, etc. 
BTW, none of the on-line magazines that I read seem to have had a beta copy - or have been sworn to not release their opinions until some magic date.  They usually have SOMETHING to say WAY earlier than a month before release - and there are leaks before that  :-D
Not even "Next month we will have some initial impressions of our beta copy ..." sort of leaders.

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tractor_music wrote:

I am also checking vendor web sites for pre-announcement clues, sneak peeks, beta reviews, etc.

Modartt doesn't do any of that. ESPECIALLY not beta reviews, as Modartt has a closed circle of beta testers (one of which I am a proud member of). Online magazines do not get betas.

Last edited by EvilDragon (18-04-2012 12:03)
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Niclas Fogwall wrote:
marzzz wrote:

So I assume the upgrade price from Play to Standard (including the Pianoteq 4 upgrade) will be $190, as on the website? Just want to make sure I understand correctly, thanks.

Correct, the product upgrade prices will not change.

Great, this will be a good time to upgrade then, thanks.

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JerryKnight wrote:
Niclas Fogwall wrote:

For those who purchased before, the upgrade fee will be 29 €.

Now, this was unexpected! I was anticipating the upgrade price to be a more significant percentage of the full price, at least with the Standard version.

Thanks for your hard work and reasonable pricing! We're all looking forward to PT4.

Absolutely ! I got news of the update from my RSS aggregation and I was like: 'OK if it's less than 100 quid I might, might consider upgrading'. But €29 ?! It's a no brainer - upgrading tonight !!

Modartt - This was a very shrewd business decision

Last edited by mcbpete (18-04-2012 16:43)

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€29 is a fantastic price; thank you Modartt!

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Stupid question… I have 3 Pro now. Do I purchase the 29€ upgrade for 4 Pro or will it be the 150€ one? That's not really clear from the descriptions…

Thanks

Last edited by Gizmao (19-04-2012 12:05)

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You purchase the €29 upgrade, since you already have Pro.

Hard work and guts!