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the above image is of a rig I set up for uniform cutting of wooden strip into blocks that will act as reflectors for the otical sensors. The following image shows the location...

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I prefer the idea of wooden triggers, either balsa (for it's lightness) or spruce (pine/fir), a it would be more inkeeping with the original design of the keybed than my second option, if indeed they are the right size as I am not sure having not opened up the board again to measure yet...

I have on order white square bungs/caps 10mm x 10mm outer diameter, 8mm x 8mm inner diameter. However I'm not sure if white would be a suitable reflective colour for the optics? This option would be easier as it would not involve all the cutting. There are advantages and disadvantages for both, but as I said, my preference is the former option.

Upon study, I can see that it will not be necessary for much in the way of modification in order to achieve the correct positionings of sensors in relation to triggers either in terms of distance nor angle. It will be just a simple matter of setting the angle of the PNOscan strip so that when the key is fully depressed, the modified triggers will be parallel to it, and adjusting these triggers so that they are exactly .06inch (width of two creit cards) above the sensors (when the keys are fully depressed).

The only other modifications will be for wiring routing, setting up pedal sensors (unless some manufacture produces a quality midi tri pedal unit!) and fitting the console to the underside of the Keyboard.

Progress will be reported at each stage.

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http://www.wix.com/bertybird/numa-nero-...nsor-mod#!

a website in preparation

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Looking forward to seeing what you put together, Sigasa.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjNrRfmhDGo

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Why are you trying to add expensive sensors for a device that already had midi capability???

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Why are you trying to add expensive sensors for a device that already had midi capability???

In short Beto-Music, because of inconsistent velocity issues with the original strip. The PNOscan strip which will replace Fatar's is not only extremely consistent and accurate, it is also high definition midi ready. Also the PNOscan strip fully optimises PianoTeq. Hope this explains,

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Chris, sorry to insist.

Before I go ahead I want to tell you I see you as creative and very dispose to put hands on working ideas.
Nice gift ! I admire it.

But... Why not find some true piano action, maybe from a piano which other parts are terrible, and use it ?
You could built a case for the action and install the PNOscan strip.

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11 Reply by sigasa 29-08-2011 09:44

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Beto-Music wrote:

Why not find some true piano action, maybe from a piano which other parts are terrible, and use it ?
You could built a case for the action and install the PNOscan strip.

That's a good point Beto-Music, and yes I could do that. I've not really thought much about going in that direction. It would be one of the best, if not the best alternative to what I am doing now. In fact, I live a quater of a mile from Lincoln Piano Centre and I know the owner as I was taught by him 20 years ago to tune pianos. I shall enquire at some point as to what he has in the way of grand piano actions. To build a case around one would be a bigger project than the one I am currently working on. Or maybe I could use the NUMA shell? Anyhow, I am going to see the present project through as I wish to finish what I have started, and spent a lot of time doing. But when I intall PNOscan, I'll be sure to keep all the items from the kit that I don't use on the NUMA project just in case I need them in future for, for example, a project such as the one discussed here. Beto-Music, the idea does appeal to me.

I do find the whole keyboard modification idea fun also. Lanny Davis' site, Itecmusic.com, for instance, demonstrates a piano midi controller, in this case built from the ground up, which utilizes the PNOscan midi strip. You can see the strip in situ in the second video on the videos page of the website. In the case of the NUMA project, there really isn't that much to do in order to prepare the unit to receive the new strip except to adapt the triggers and prepare the base upon which the circuit boards will sit. The only other work willl be attaching the midi breakout unit, routing cabling and setting up pedal sensors etc..

Certainly a very thought provoking post Beto-Music. Just as a side note, I do miss actually playing the thing! One advatage of completing the current project is that if I do decide to purchase a grand piano action, I would still be able to play my NUMA Nero whilst working on designing, measuring up, adapting and building a keyboard based around it. Actually, having already bought and installed the PNOscan by then, and therefore knowing the necessary measurements etc., I would be able to play the Nero up to the time when the PNOscan strip was transferred to the 'real action' keyboard.

Interesting. You've certainly made me think!

Lanny Davis' project uses used piano keys spliced onto his own uniquely designed action. The idea of taking an old grand piano action and breathing new life into it does have a certain attraction.

Mmmmmm!

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Chris, I have a few doubts.

Have PNOscan realise velocity ability?

Is requireds to keep the real action, if was the the case of such project, in perfect level, even keys, in line, in order to the sensor works properly?

Do you think it's possible to get the usual sensor of digital pianos, that are not optical but two contact sensors used to measure the difference between one is actrivated in relation to the other, giving the velocity, and install such sensors on a real piano action ?

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sigasa wrote:

I prefer the idea of wooden triggers, either balsa (for it's lightness) or spruce (pine/fir), a it would be more in keeping with the original design of the keybed than my second option, if indeed they are the right size as I am not sure having not opened up the board again to measure yet...
I have on order white square bungs/caps 10mm x 10mm outer diameter, 8mm x 8mm inner diameter. However I'm not sure if white would be a suitable reflective colour for the optics? This option would be easier as it would not involve all the cutting. There are advantages and disadvantages for both, but as I said, my preference is the former option.
Upon study, I can see that it will not be necessary for much in the way of modification in order to achieve the correct positioning of sensors in relation to triggers either in terms of distance nor angle. It will be just a simple matter of setting the angle of the PNOscan strip so that when the key is fully depressed, the modified triggers will be parallel to it, and adjusting these triggers so that they are exactly .06inch (width of two creit cards) above the sensors (when the keys are fully depressed).
Regards,
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Chris:

Very ambitious project which I will be following with interest.

Comment on the reflectors - it seems to me that the optical reflectors should all have identical reflectivity (the white plastic ones) rather than variable (wood pieces).

Would not the variability in reflectivity of the wood pieces introduce variability in the signal from key to key?

Glenn

PS - on the matter of a grand piano action. It would be nice, but where would one find a good piano action that was not needed (and thus would be available at a reasonable cost)? The other thing that occurs to me about a real piano action is that to maintain the touch, the hammers must also remain. What would the hammers hit when they came to the end of their travel? There are no strings, so some sort of stop would be required, and would this not introduce some unwanted thumping noise? My own DP (a Roland KR7) makes a pretty loud thumping noise when the key bottoms out - this of course is inevitable no matter what the action type.

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Beto-Music wrote:

Chris, I have a few doubts.
Have PNOscan realise velocity ability?
Is requireds to keep the real action, if was the the case of such project, in perfect level, even keys, in line, in order to the sensor works properly?
Do you think it's possible to get the usual sensor of digital pianos, that are not optical but two contact sensors used to measure the difference between one is actrivated in relation to the other, giving the velocity, and install such sensors on a real piano action ?

Beto-Music, may I answer your last two questions with this link? http://www.ltecmusic.com/ (refer to the second video where you will see the PNOscan strip installed in a custom built midi controller).

As to your first question, the simple answer - I don't know!

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sigasa wrote:
I prefer the idea of wooden triggers, either balsa (for it's lightness) or spruce (pine/fir), a it would be more in keeping with the original design of the keybed than my second option, if indeed they are the right size as I am not sure having not opened up the board again to measure yet...
I have on order white square bungs/caps 10mm x 10mm outer diameter, 8mm x 8mm inner diameter. However I'm not sure if white would be a suitable reflective colour for the optics? This option would be easier as it would not involve all the cutting. There are advantages and disadvantages for both, but as I said, my preference is the former option.
Upon study, I can see that it will not be necessary for much in the way of modification in order to achieve the correct positioning of sensors in relation to triggers either in terms of distance nor angle. It will be just a simple matter of setting the angle of the PNOscan strip so that when the key is fully depressed, the modified triggers will be parallel to it, and adjusting these triggers so that they are exactly .06inch (width of two creit cards) above the sensors (when the keys are fully depressed).
Regards,
Chris
Chris:
Very ambitious project which I will be following with interest.
Comment on the reflectors - it seems to me that the optical reflectors should all have identical reflectivity (the white plastic ones) rather than variable (wood pieces).
Would not the variability in reflectivity of the wood pieces introduce variability in the signal from key to key?
Glenn
PS - on the matter of a grand piano action. It would be nice, but where would one find a good piano action that was not needed (and thus would be available at a reasonable cost)? The other thing that occurs to me about a real piano action is that to maintain the touch, the hammers must also remain. What would the hammers hit when they came to the end of their travel? There are no strings, so some sort of stop would be required, and would this not introduce some unwanted thumping noise? My own DP (a Roland KR7) makes a pretty loud thumping noise when the key bottoms out - this of course is inevitable no matter what the action type.

I agree completely Glenn - on all points. Would white be the best reflector? I believe that Lanny Davis uses white as a reflective colour in his custom midi controller http://www.ltecmusic.com/ but I can't be absolutely sure as I cannot actually see the reflective surface in his videos. I had/have already pre-cut 88+ white 'caps' and it would be great if I could just simply use them.

Valid points also on real action vs. DP action. I guess finding a real piano action in very good working order that didn't cost a bomb would be like looking for rocking horse poo! And then there would be the whole matter of designing and building a case around it etc....

Much easier, and portable, to stick with the mod., at least for the forseeable future.

Thanks Glenn.

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Chris:

Likely the most optically reflective surface would be a mirror, but it may be too reflective and reflect other sources of light that could possibly interfere with the sensors (light shining down between the keys? I don't know enough about the system).

My personal first choice would be white; and the more uniform the group is the better. Plastic would provide a very uniform colour and reflectivity with a minimum of imperfections.

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Thank you Glenn,

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMuShUJKddM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWNShj4G...tube_gdata

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First angled white reflector in place. Wilol post pics of in situ check shortly.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6dn6Y4pAh8

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Sincere apologies to all. I have had to remove the above images from the net.

Again, sincerest apologies,

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what happened? did numa admonish you?

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No, my wife did! You have a good point though Sebastian, there could be legal ramifications with Fatar/studiologic, and I'm not sure where I stand in that respect. I still hope to keep you guys up to date though, albeit only literally.

I have now completed all the black key's sensor trigger trimming and glueing on of white plastic reflective caps. I begin on the whites today.

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1830hrs GMT already and I haven't done a single white key! Get a move on sigasa!

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sorry for beeing so curious, but what problem did your wife have with that photographs?

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sebion wrote:

sorry for beeing so curious, but what problem did your wife have with that photographs?

Long story curious Sebian. And if I told you, I'd have to shoot you!!!

I have contacted a PNOscan dealer here in the UK and will order Tuesday all being well.

I have ordered http://www.amazon.co.uk/Novus-plastic-p..._rhf_p_t_1 to clean and polish the keys etc. (suitable for all plastics).

There is still alot to do but I'm enjoying the project and reporting here. My next job is to complete the white keys (only 2 left to do!) and then check ALL keys for strength of glue joints etc.. Then when I recieve the polish I can clean and finish the keys ready for when they go back in/on.

I have kept all the photos and videos of the project on file and will back them up soon. Hopefully I will be able to post them some time in the future as a complete project presentation, or at least post a link to a/my completed website.

The dealer I mentioned has reserved a PNOscan kit for me. I will report again shortly.

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Well!

PNOscan will arrive tomorrow (Saturday). NUMA Nero ready for installation. Keys polished and back in position. Action feels different to what I remember. Of course there are no silicone plungers with their contact lugs in the mix any more! I actually feel let-off / escapement - especially in the blacks - but I have not fixed the action back in the frame yet so it is difficult to get a level response throughout. I have put it on the most even surface I could find in the house (kitchen worktop) and it does feel wonderful - very definate. Obviously, I am not going to be able to assess fully until the PNOscan kit is installed. I should have the whole thing completed well before the end of next week!

Will report when PNOscan arrives.

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Well!

It didn't!

Delivery scheduled Monday!!! Gotta wait man!

Mind you, had it been delivered yesterday (Saturday), I probably would not have taken my wife out to see the new 'Jane Eyre' at the flicks! Brilliant film!

As I said in my last post, will let you know when I have PNOscan in my hands!

The most annoying thing about the wait is that as of 3am Saturday, it has been sat in the local delivery depot literally a few miles away!

Never mind eh! I disassemble one of our old garden benches and measure it up for new wood today instead while Sally cooks a roast dinner for us - yum!

Anyhow, less of the trivia, you guys have a great Sunday and I'll report tomorrow.

p.s. if anyone wishes to see a video of the prepared keybed being tested, just send me a forum e-mail and I'll forward a link.

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IT'S HERE!!! PNOscan

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All present and correct box contents wise.

All works correctly.

Temporary rough setup completed today. Will post link to demo of this rough setup shortly.

One thing I will alter is the reflectors. They reflect well enough, but I have a more suitable product now which was my second choice originally (the white lugs). Will post more info in the very near future.

Also I neglected to mention that I'd miscalculated the height of the black's reflectors in relation to the white's. That meant that all the whites were pretty level and all the blacks were pretty level, but a big difference between. I didn't think this would be a problem as the installation instructions pointed out that the black keys on a piano dip futher than the whites (generally). It is possible to make alterations calibration wise, but there seems little point in doing so as that is what I was doing with PianoTeq and the Forte, Mezzo hammer hardness compensation attempts. Besides, I can do both in the same action anyway - I mean, change reflectors and height-level at the same time. This way I'll have an even playing feild.

Very happy with progress. Very happy with PNOscan. More work to do but will be worth it in the long run.

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http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...p_Test.mp3

(Rough remember). But see how smooth the glissandos on the white keys flow velocity-wise.

I used the QRS Pianomation mode for a better dynamic range.

See what y'all think?

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p.s. rough playing 'n al'!

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I have set up the sustain pedal sensor inside the Roland DP10 Pedal. It works although I haven't calibrated it yet. Work has begun levelling ALL key trigger reflectors. However, I haven't taken all the keys of as before, I shall just do them bit by bit. This way I shall still be able to play the board whilst completing the project. I've also figured out how I will more permanently fix the sensors into place - more about this later (I'm falling asleep!).

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PNOscan fixed in place.

Trigger levelling needs to be done within a week.

One very interesting thing I have discovered today is that unless the keyboard is on a level surface, it is not perfectly balanced. Front too high = black keys easier to depress than whites. When on a level surface, the blacks and whites equalise. This is to do with gravity etc.. The same is true of any piano action. I didn't appreciate this before.

It's a completely different playing experience - so much more like the real deal than before. Beautiful touch and a lovely dynamic range. And as PNOscan is optimised to PianoTeq there is absolutely no need for me to mess around with the velocity curve anymore!

More soon

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Chris,

If you don't mind me asking, how much do you have invested in this keyboard so far? Do you feel it was worth the time and money? BTW, your sample sounds great. Which piano are you using? Have you shared the fxp for it?

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Relax, it's not about money...

Chris is only following the steps of his grandfather

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jOp071aSMic/T...ture+3.jpg

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Chris,
If you don't mind me asking, how much do you have invested in this keyboard so far? Do you feel it was worth the time and money? BTW, your sample sounds great. Which piano are you using? Have you shared the fxp for it?
Thanks
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sigasa wrote:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...p_Test.mp3
(Rough remember). But see how smooth the glissandos on the white keys flow velocity-wise.
I used the QRS Pianomation mode for a better dynamic range.
See what y'all think?
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p.s. rough playing 'n al'!

Chris,

Sounds as though you are getting a wide dynamic range. Which preset did you use? Any edits?

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Chris,
If you don't mind me asking, how much do you have invested in this keyboard so far? Do you feel it was worth the time and money? BTW, your sample sounds great. Which piano are you using? Have you shared the fxp for it?
Thanks
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£ invested = approx. 2,000

Yes I do feel it has and will be worth all the time and cash I've put in. I have learned a lot and already love the feel of the keys and the difference that using optical sensing rather than rubber makes to the whole playing experience. It feels so real to me and as I said before, the action is so much more defined and positive in it's response. And I feel escapement/letoff and am so much more connected with the hammers. It's a bit like the lady who plays piano with bare feet so she can feel the pedal/damper mechanics better.

I am not sure which piano I used but I think it was the Peyel? I am now 1/4 of the way through levelling the keys and will be completely finished within a week. When I have levelled all key's triggers, I will post a demo.

Glad you liked the sample, but bare in mind that that was only a rough PNOscan setup! The finished project will produce much better sounds.

Regards,

Chris

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Re: Beginning of preprations for adapting NUMA Nero fot PNOscan midi strip

Beto-Music wrote:

Relax, it's not about money...
Chris is only following the steps of his grandfather

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jOp071aSMic/T...ture+3.jpg

how did you know that Beto-Music???

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40 Reply by Gadgety 23-09-2011 09:21

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Re: Beginning of preprations for adapting NUMA Nero fot PNOscan midi strip

Hello,

I have tried following your endeavour, but the pictures have for the most part been removed, as has the video on youtube, I couldn't get the videos on your website to run, either. You site potential legal trouble. I wonder what that would entail?

AFAIK you can take stuff apart and show it on youtube, it's being done all the time. I own a car that I work on occasionally and I've posted pics of how to's on forums, and neither the manufacturer nor any other user has ever implied this would illegal. You can even post videos and instructions anonymously in case it worries you.

Would you consider mailing stuff privately?

Thanks.

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41 Reply by sigasa 23-09-2011 14:57

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Re: Beginning of preprations for adapting NUMA Nero fot PNOscan midi strip

Jake Johnson wrote:

sigasa wrote:
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...p_Test.mp3
(Rough remember). But see how smooth the glissandos on the white keys flow velocity-wise.
I used the QRS Pianomation mode for a better dynamic range.
See what y'all think?
Regards
Chris
p.s. rough playing 'n al'!

Chris,
Sounds as though you are getting a wide dynamic range. Which preset did you use? Any edits?

Sorry I missed this post Jake. I don't remember the preset, but it might have been the Pleyel? No edits.

42 Reply by sigasa 23-09-2011 15:00

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Re: Beginning of preprations for adapting NUMA Nero fot PNOscan midi strip

Gadgety wrote:

Hello,
I have tried following your endeavour, but the pictures have for the most part been removed, as has the video on youtube, I couldn't get the videos on your website to run, either. You site potential legal trouble. I wonder what that would entail?
AFAIK you can take stuff apart and show it on youtube, it's being done all the time. I own a car that I work on occasionally and I've posted pics of how to's on forums, and neither the manufacturer nor any other user has ever implied this would illegal. You can even post videos and instructions anonymously in case it worries you.
Would you consider mailing stuff privately?
Thanks.

Let me know what info you need via the forum e-mail service.

Regards,

Chris

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