Topic: Pianoteq development

As far as expressiveness and consistency, I think Pianoteq has it down. That’s the main reason I enjoy it so much. It really lets me focus on playing and writing, without the distracting idiosyncrasies of many sampled pianos.

But in my opinion Pianoteq tonally just doesn’t have the warmth and body and sense of realism that sampled pianos do. But samples generally sound static by comparison unless the library is huge and very well done, and there’s never been a sample library that has the note to note consistency, at all velocities, that Pianoteq has.

Attaining greater realism is a major hurdle, and maybe physical modeling alone can’t achieve it, maybe a hybrid ‘samples+modelling’ approach is needed. I very much hope that Modartt’s primary focus right now is on making Pianoteq sound more organic and real. Hopefully the future will bring Pianoteq  to an entirely new level.

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Don't worry, Modartt is not lazy or sleeping doing nothing.

Hard work and guts!

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I suspect you know more than most us about coming news.

Pianoteq 4 it's taking quite a time of project.  I bet it will be a hit.

EvilDragon wrote:

Don't worry, Modartt is not lazy or sleeping doing nothing.

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EvilDragon wrote:

Don't worry, Modartt is not lazy or sleeping doing nothing.

Yeah, no doubt you’re right. We’re all pretty curious, I expect, about what’s in the works. New features would probably be useful, but a more realistic sound is the main thing IMO.

Version 3 started sounding real, but I wonder if there aren’t inherent limitations to the physical modeling approach to realistic sound creation. Or is it uncharted territory, 'go where no man has gone before' stuff . Perhaps some of the more technically minded members here would know more about that, not me.

Last edited by Michael H (09-08-2011 18:33)

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Well, some in here are beta testers i know (i have been one of them) but not this time...
So they defenitely know something, Evil Dragon maybe, or... ... and I hope the (in Pianoteq terms) long time silence means something good is on it's way...

... i have been thinking if Pianoteq is the right name with all these terrific instruments it can produce, but maybe the next major update hopefully will show why the name should stay Pianoteq

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Evil Dragon's smile it's a good indicator.

I don't wait for a full perfect sound on Pianoteq 4, but I'm optimist that he will get a quite better sound tone,  closer to natural than the actual version.

olepro wrote:

Well, some in here are beta testers i know (i have been one of them) but not this time...
So they defenitely know something, Evil Dragon maybe, or... ... and I hope the (in Pianoteq terms) long time silence means something good is on it's way...

... i have been thinking if Pianoteq is the right name with all these terrific instruments it can produce, but maybe the next major update hopefully will show why the name should stay Pianoteq

Last edited by Beto-Music (10-08-2011 04:24)

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Evil is really evil !
Don't let the smile fool ya

SteveO

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I've been using Pianoteq since the beginning. I'm also looking forward to the next version, but have to say that the Pleyel (player perspective) sounds pretty amazing on my system. Very much like the piano from Norah Jones "Come Away with Me." It's basically what I wanted the K1 piano to be....warm, intimate and a very reverberant soundboard.

Pianoteq 5, Dell Studio 14 (core i3 2.26 ghz), M-Audio Uno midi connector, Echo Indigo Djx (expresscard), Little Dot MK V Headphone Amp, Senn 580 Headphones, Kawai MP9000 digital piano

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bebop603 wrote:

I've been using Pianoteq since the beginning. I'm also looking forward to the next version, but have to say that the Pleyel (player perspective) sounds pretty amazing on my system. Very much like the piano from Norah Jones "Come Away with Me." It's basically what I wanted the K1 piano to be....warm, intimate and a very reverberant soundboard.

Very strange. I was listening to Norah Jones when I opened this thread and read your post. Could you post a piece or two using the Pleyel to illustrate the similar sound? I'd like to hear what you're doing.

And...are you changing any parameters to get the sound that you want?

In any case, I do often love the sound of the piano on her recordings. Have you heard this solo piece, from the Ken Burns documentary "The War"? Great "live" piano sound, to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONqt6Lp8WKk&NR=1

Sorry if the song seems dated. Recall that it's from a documentary about WWII.

And from the same poster to Youtube, this is I think a slightly different version. Very similar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka8LFIjJ...mp;list=UL

Last edited by Jake Johnson (07-09-2011 16:43)

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Jake,

Nice song, particularly appropriate close to 9/11, and a nice warm piano sound. Thanks for sharing that.

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Michael H wrote:

Jake,

Nice song, particularly appropriate close to 9/11, and a nice warm piano sound. Thanks for sharing that.

Just happened to hear it for the first time last night while watching a re-airing of "The War," which I had never seen before. Interesting take on WWII, although of course its focus is more on the American experience of the war than on the war itself.  (Stalingrad took about 5 seconds.)

I do like the sound of Jones' piano, in any case. Anyone know if she tends to use the same engineers from album to album?

Listening to it several times, I wonder if there is a little roll-off off the upper freqs.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (07-09-2011 19:04)

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Hello All,

Regarding Nora Jones' acoustic pianos:  She is a Yamaha Artist, and generally records with a C6S grand (S standing for silent, where the keyboard action may be decoupled from the rest of the piano), and a Yamaha P-22 upright piano -- the classic "school piano".

Hope this information helps.

Joe

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I'll post a Norah Jones sample soon using the Pleyel.

The only thing I'm changing to the Pleyel (player perspective) is just adjusting
the velocity curve so it starts at 25(the lowest value I can easily get on my MP9000) and goes linearly to 127.

I think the main difference for me is the headphones and headphone amp that I'm using.
I'm using a Sennheiser HD 580(with a HD650 cable) and the little dot MK V.

http://www.littledot.net/forum/viewtopi...mp;start=0

As you can see from the picture (if you scroll down) its a dual-mono design with separate power supplies and transistor stages for each channel.

I did an A/B comparison with AKG 240 MKII headphones (plugged directly into the Echo Indigo headphone out) and the Senns just sound a lot better. They really do add realism to the Pleyel--more punch and clarity, and are good match for the timbre of the Pleyel.

Pianoteq 5, Dell Studio 14 (core i3 2.26 ghz), M-Audio Uno midi connector, Echo Indigo Djx (expresscard), Little Dot MK V Headphone Amp, Senn 580 Headphones, Kawai MP9000 digital piano

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bebop603 wrote:

I'll post a Norah Jones sample soon using the Pleyel.

The only thing I'm changing to the Pleyel (player perspective) is just adjusting
the velocity curve so it starts at 25(the lowest value I can easily get on my MP9000) and goes linearly to 127...

Experimenting with the Pleyel, I hear the middle of the keyboard as being the most problematic in sounding like the recording\video I linked to (American Anthem).

Those first two notes, however, sound very similar in the Pleyel and the recording. The soft partial C chord that comes next, however, I'm not able to get on the Pleyel, and the midrange notes and chords in general don't sound the same, but admittedly, I'm just now starting to try out various edits.

Looking forward to hearing what you're doing with the velocity curve.

Last edited by Jake Johnson (09-09-2011 02:06)